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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 1 decade ago

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, might I ask can a "Christian" of any faith rightly mix in government and war?

History of first Christians, “A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [121-180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.” (The Rise of Christianity, by E. W. Barnes, 1947, p. 333) [cut some info here] “While they [the Christians] inculcated the maxims of passive obedience, they refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon, Vol. I, p.. 416. [Without renouncing a higher sacred duty to God?]

It is all about who we render sacred service to like at Matthew 4:8-11 "Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him." After Jesus was tested to the full Jehovah, Jesus loving Father sent him Jesus needed help by way of angels. Since we are made with free will [Jesus and the Devil & angels too] and the Devil challenge Jehovah God that he could make all mankind not want to worship him Jehovah, has allowed the Devil to try with all he has to work with, to go for it. Jesus was the Devil's last big chance to win the best over to his side but he lost that great challenge which gives us all yet a chance too, to win. But to win we must understand there are two main rulers before us all. One [the Devil] owns all human governments and the religions that back them. The other is Jehovah God and his Kingdom government which all the laws for that government are found in the Bible and the main rule is the golden rule of treating others as nice as you like being treat at Matthew 7:12. All the Devil's governments are like wild beast no matter they might put on a show of being peaceful at times. In the end they can never bring true peace and security to our great earth no matter how hard they might try! So a choice of who we want to rule the earth stands before us all as free will people! The mark of the wild beast in the hand or forehand is a persons backing of human government by being in government or voting for those they want to rule in that human government. So like first Christians we Jehovah's Witnesses will not mix in human government or war. But at the same time will not stop others from making their own free will choice to back human systems of government. Jehovah wants those in his new earthly system to want to be there of their own free will. But he Jehovah will allow the Devil to test your love for him as to if it is real in truth. So are you ready for the challenge? Daniel 2:44 shows what Jehovah's government in the hand of his Son Jesus Christ will do to ALL human governments in our day ruling now! Seriously! Please [anyone] have Governor of Oregon contact Judge Foote in Eugene he has my Divine Truth email. We need to talk in private! SERIOUSLY! http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtml

I will make a hardcopy of this info for my own personal records! If you like do the same!

Update:

Lane Circuit Judge

Gregory Foote

125 E. 8th Ave.

Eugene, OR 97440-2188

June 25, 2009

Your Honor Judge Foote,

I have a civil case I cannot win from way back in the 1980’s because the records have been cut way back and my needed proof of how it was change to a civil case is not there any more. So I have no choice but to go at it from another way it seems. From the worlds view I am from an oddball religion and never really liked by other religions. But you likely know my religion well from your law schooling days because we had to fight in the Supreme Courts since the 1930’s to have are religious rights noticed and that worked out well for the whole nations freedoms and rights too. Before our fight the constitutional laws and bill of rights were mostly just words on paper not real in practice! And we won those rights in the courts peacefully not on the war fields of killing others. As well we do not mix in government business so to force our religious teachings on others as many others

Update 2:

try doing. That is were my focus can change things if you see my point about other religions mixing government business and influencing human law that cause my problems illegally from way back. History show the first Christian faith would die before mixing in war and government business just like my form of faith will not mix today! That can cause a dilemma in court if the state law is influenced by those other forms of faith in their teachings which happened in my case. But I left that alone all these years thinking all was well in my naïve thinking as I see the facts today! I will send you four other pages with this one that I hope will give a big clue what is really happening with other religions and you judge if I would have had a dilemma in court years ago if I disagreed with state law influenced by others faith if a conflict came up. That happened right here in Eugene back in the 1980’s! I will go by just Nathan at this time for privacy. But please do not fear using my email,

Update 3:

I am not after the state but [what influenced the state in my case] and my rights ignored! That was other religions!

P.S. I found out a day or two ago I know someone you know personally which is a nice guy and he talked highly of you. Anyhow hope to hear from you real soon! Nathan

Update 4:

I hope to get help from them to get to the convention in Portland this next weekend. It can't hurt to try, can it? I have no way to get there YET! But I have seen Jehovah do things before in a unique to get brothers to our conventions! BIG TIME, I SAW IT! Personally!

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
    Favorite Answer

    Yes, FALSE imitation "weed" like "Christians" can and do.

    TRUE "wheat" like Christians can't and do not:

    http://tinyurl.com/yd4jq9

    http://tinyurl.com/kocx86

    *******

    EDIT

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    To "Donna L.": You stated and I quote:

    "You have made an entire statement based upon one supposition that I FEEL is completely false. You state that the world's governments are completely under the control of the devil." (Capitalization mine)

    We of Jehovah's faithful modern day Christian Witnesses DO NOT proclaim the sacred message we carry and bring to people of ALL nations worldwide, based on our own "opinions", "feelings", "traditions", "philosophies of imperfect men" or anything else related to such. What we proclaim is the TRUTH of the Bible itself... the Word of God and we strictly adhere to and OBEY the COMMAND of Proverbs 3:5 - 7 which states:

    "Trust in JEHOVAH with ALL your heart and DO NOT lean upon YOUR OWN understanding. 6 In ALL YOUR WAYS take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.

    7 DO NOT become wise in your own eyes. Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad."

    Therefore, while we respect the way you "feel"...

    IT IS WRITTEN:

    "So he [Satan the Devil] brought him [Jesus Christ] up and showed him all the kingdoms [governments] of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6 and the Devil said to him: “I will GIVE YOU all this authority and the glory of them, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO ME, and to whomever I wish I GIVE IT."

    - Luke 4:5, 6

    Satan TEMPTED Jesus by offering him “all the kingdoms of the world.” Yet, Satan’s offer WOULD NOT have been a REAL TEMPTATION if Satan was not actually the ruler of these kingdoms [governments]? And note, Jesus DID NOT DENY that all these worldly governments were indeed Satan’s, WHICH HE WOULD HAVE DONE if Satan did not have power over them. So, then, Satan the Devil really is the unseen ruler of the world! You, are in serious error and the Bible itself shows you are. The Bible, IN FACT, calls Satan “the god of this system of things [some Bible translations read "the god of this world"].”

    (2 Corinthians 4:4)

    How did such a wicked person ever come into this powerful position you may ask? The one who became Satan had been an angel created by God, but he became envious of God’s position. He challenged God’s rightful rulership. To this end he used a serpent as a mouthpiece to deceive the first woman, Eve, and was thus able to get her and her husband, Adam, to do his bidding rather than obey God. (Genesis 3:1-6; 2 Corinthians 11:3) He also claimed he could turn all of Adam and Eve’s yet unborn offspring away from God. So God ALLOWED time for Satan to try to prove his claim [this is what Satan meant when he said to Jesus regarding the kingdoms of the world; "it has been delivered to me" at Luke 4:6], but Satan has not succeeded.

    —Job 1:6-12; 2:1-10.

    Significantly, Satan IS NOT ALONE in his rulership of the world. He was successful in persuading some of the other angels to join him in rebellion against God. These became demons, his spirit accomplices. The Bible speaks of them when it urges Christians: “Stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but . . . against THE WORLD RULERS of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.”

    —Ephesians 6:11, 12

    See also, John 14:30, 16:11 and 1 John 5:19

    For further Scriptural TRUTH regarding information of Satan's rulership of this present world feel free to GET your Bible, open it and READ it along with the following brief Bible based tract entitled; "Who Really Rules The World?" (that is, IF you really want to know THE TRUTH and come out of the darkness which is blinding YOU to the TRUTH):

    http://tinyurl.com/lyzloy

    Source(s): Almighty Jehovah God through Jesus Christ His only begotten Son, His Word the Holy Bible, His spirit and His true worldwide earthly organization today comprised of the True Worshipers which our Lord Jesus made reference to at John 4:23, 24.
  • Martha
    Lv 4
    5 years ago

    pfft. none of this makes your religion true. lack of answers indicates a boring non relevant question, not lack of an articulate answer. no one really cares, but since you went there... court records show ct russell to be a fraudster. when asked to identify some hebrew characters, he couldn't, even tho he previously claimed he could. his wife also said he was pedo. there were 9 child sex abuse cases settled secretly in 2007 by the watchtower. i'm not even american, but when i think of free speech there, i think founding fathers, probably washington, and people like martin luthor king and malcolm x, willing to put their lives on the line for others. you present the watchtower pursuing their own interests. hitler would have changed that 1st amendment thing. did the jws go to stop him? or were you all running around saying the sky is falling and a wolf attacked the sheep. yet now the children of those who did stand up and guaranteed your 1st amendment rights, you try to turn into cripples too. shameful persecution? are you trying to claim a monopoly on persecution? you know over 100 000 "real" christians were martyred in the 1st 2 centuries after jesus? not much room left for a modern anointed class. nyway, already given too much time to this one.

  • an-noy
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    No

    John 18:38

    36 Jesus answered: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”

    1 John 5:19

    19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.

  • 1 decade ago

    To the Canadian Atheist: You just have to go inside the Kingdom Hall and find out for yourself, unless of course you are afraid.

    To James P: We do not claim homosexuals are inherently evil more so than adulterers and drunkards. We repudiate the practice, not necessarily the person (1Cor. 6:9)

    To Donna L: Please reinforce your statements with scriptures, not personal opinion.

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  • 5 years ago

    No, as Jehovah's witnesses, we will NOT go to war or kill anyone. "Love one another intensely from the heart..." & "Learn WAR NO MORE" is in our Bible & Yours too...God bless~

  • 1 decade ago

    According to the Bible, yes.....

    Revelation 12:7

    And there was war in heaven..

    Revelation 19:11

    And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

    Luke 22

    36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    2 Peter 2

    9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

    10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government.

    1 Corinthians 12:28

    And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    We believe that every man should be honored in his station, rulers and magistrates as such, being placed for the protection of the innocent and the punishment of the guilty; and that to the laws all men show respect and deference, as without them peace and harmony would be supplanted by anarchy and terror; human laws being instituted for the express purpose of regulating our interests as individuals and nations, between man and man; and divine laws given of heaven, prescribing rules on spiritual concerns, for faith and worship, both to be answered by man to his Maker.

  • 1 decade ago

    As Jesus said "I am no part of the world". And we adhere to his words. We are no part of the world.

    Source(s): One of Jehovah's "Christian" Witnesses
  • 1 decade ago

    To be a Christian one must be a foot step follower of Jesus. In his own words.

    Now, because he knew before the festival of the passover that his hour had come for him to move out of this world to the Father, Jesus, having loved his own that were in the world, loved them to the end. 2 So, while the evening meal was going on, the Devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Is‧car′i‧ot, the son of Simon, to betray him, 3 he, knowing that the Father had given all things into [his] hands and that he came forth from God and was going to God, 4 got up from the evening meal and laid aside his outer garments. And, taking a towel, he girded himself. 5 After that he put water into a basin and started to wash the feet of the disciples and to dry them off with the towel with which he was girded. 6 And so he came to Simon Peter. He said to him: “Lord, are you washing my feet?” 7 In answer Jesus said to him: “What I am doing you do not understand at present, but you will understand after these things.” 8 Peter said to him: “You will certainly never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him: “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.” 9 Simon Peter said to him: “Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.” 10 Jesus said to him: “He that has bathed does not need to have more than his feet washed, but is wholly clean. And YOU men are clean, but not all.” 11 He knew, indeed, the man betraying him. This is why he said: “Not all of YOU are clean.”

    John 13: 1-11

    I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16 They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. 17 Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. 18 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 19 And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.

    John 15:17-19

    We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.

    1 John 5:19

    With Satan as the God of this world we would not want to be involved with anything it offers. Our loyalty is to the Kingdom of God that Jesus taught us to pray for at Matt. 6:10. Jesus set the example for us to follow while on earth. We do not vote, run for political office on any level, join the armed forces or support the governments in any way. We abstain from blood, immorality of all kinds, drugs, smoking, excessive drinking and anything else this world has to offer.

    Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.

    1 John 2:15-17

    Source(s): One of Jehovah's Witnesses.
  • Mark
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    I find that you say we have no windows...you've never been to one of our halls. We don't spend millions of dollars on extravagant buildings..We are modest and spend our time looking for people interested in the scriptures

  • 1 decade ago

    According to the laws no! War for sure is a no and politics is also a no!

    Check your bible.

    Source(s): I'm a jew, knowing the tora is like knowing the back of my hand.
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