Do women think of transsexual men as fellow women?

1st off Michael Jackson is not a Transsexual or even Transgender.

granted he was a bit effeminate and eccentric, but his gender Identity was very much male!

Second, is that your question use’s incorrect terms.

Transsexual man - is a Female to Male (F2M) Transsexual, this means that “he” has the gender identity of a male but was born with a female body.

Transsexual woman – is a Male to Female (M2F) transsexual, meaning that “she” has the gender identity of a woman but was born with a male body.

Intersexed – can be M2F or F2M and often have chromosomal mixed matches and or biological mixes. Most transsexuals are at some level intersexed while not ever intersexed individual is a transsexual.

Transgender - is an umbrella term that encompasses everyone who does not fit societies gender binary.

And for, the poster who answered saying that “he” would not want to sleep with a post-op transsexual woman, because of her chromosomes not being XX.

Chromosomes do not dictate or create someone’s sex, this is a medically proven fact!

As to the actual question, it honestly depends upon the individuals involved.

Wow . . . what the hell? I can understand your frustrations, and someone needs to seriously sit down and school those people who told you that you were just a feminine gay man. But you're spewing out a whole lot of hatred here. Look- sex is something that is biological, but when you get to gender expression, it's personal and social. Society has ingrained in us that men act one way and that women act another- it's socially constructed. There are some transwomen who- gasp!- are butch. They're butch women. There are some transmen out there who are- OMG!- feminine. They are feminine men. And there are lots of cisgender people who have a gender expression that's not "masculine male" or "feminine woman". The majority of them are not acting, they are not fake, they are not "attention wh*res". They are just being themselves. If you expect people to accept you as a transwoman, how in the world you do get off policing others' gendered behavior? I truly don't get it. This is such a common reaction that I find- people blaming the wrong people for society's stereotypes. People say "Oh, if femme gay men and butch lesbian women didn't exist, we wouldn't have all those awful stereotypes!". That's not true. Stereotypes are created by OTHERS. And in this case, it's not feminine gay men or masculine lesbian women who are "the reason most people don't take transsexuals seriously.". The people responsible for not taking transsexuals seriously are- ta-da!- THE PEOPLE NOT TAKING TRANSSEXUALS SERIOUSLY. It's the people who take no time to educate themselves about transpeople. These are who you need to be targeting. Not the femme gay man who's just living his life, swishing down the street, as you run to him screaming "It's your fault people don't understand me!" and he stares at you bewildered, wondering how in the world all this blame fell on him. Take a breather, take a good look around, and realize all the things that are wrong with your little rant here.

I'm honestly not sure, because I've never spent time with a transsexual. I do think gender identity is created by the wiring of our brains rather than just genes, but I think there would still be a divide between people who have grown up anatomically female and experienced their whole life as a female, and people who have changed sex.

If real women have one precious knack that, though a gay man, I love them for, it's pissing everybody off by being perfectly nice; like, for example, those adorable ditzes who think of FtM transsexuals as their fellow women. God, sometimes I'm tempted to go straight!

Most people don't even know if someone is transsexual or not unless they're told. A M2F is a woman. Always has been. Sex and gender being different, its how people feel that counts.

I don't know what Jackson had to do with this though.

I have treated a transsexual (originally a woman) as any other guy, unknowingly. Now that I know I still do, so yes.

Once I finished wrestling with the questions I know I want to ask but shouldn't, I would easily be able to treat a male-to-female transgender as one of the girls. In fact, I have.

I think of biological men whose gender is female as women, and biological women whose gender is male as men. My best friend is trans and I think of him 100% as a guy even though he hasn't had an operation yet.

When you talk to some, you'll see they *felt* like women the entire time, it was just their bodies that didn't show it.

The ones I've known at least, they were definitely women.

Who we are goes pretty far beyond just our physical bodies.

To me they are neither fully men nor fully women. But if they insist that they're truly women (physically,emotionally and in spirit), then I guess I have to take their word for it.