SPORT BIKE AND HD RIDERS: WHICH IS BETTER...DODGE RAM WITH TURBO DIESEL OR DODGE VIPER WITH V-10?

First things first, you can pressure wash your fairings where the chain lube flings off without hitting any bearings, chain whatever just the fairings, even a 5 year old could figure it out, you do not need to graduate the 13th grade, (MMI wherever you went) or a real school for that matter to get that one right. Since you seem to block everything this is one way to get your attention, mechanic. As for being a mechanic I know two guys, one a childhood friend who's not the brightest bulb on the tree but a good guy who learned on the job and another who has his own shop that both learned how to do it on the fly. Both are quite good at what they do all without 13th grade.

Now on to your foolish question, your power number quotes that supposed to impress the kool-aid drinkers are barely on par with a 600cc rocket and near but not quite 2/3s of the power of a liter bike. If you want performance out of a bike you have to get a REAL bike. Sportbikes have it, most standard and touring bikes have more of it than hardlys do. Your comparison with the viper is kinda funny you do know Vipers also make real HP, you know the stuff that makes real bikes go fast as well. Torque can pull a stump out of the ground sure but it doesn't make you go fast. HP is torque over an interval of time. I learned that in a class after the high school taken at a place better than the 13th grade, you see a REAL school a big ten school.

Now as for lasting longer, I know of a CBRf4i lasting to 100,000 miles, heck he posted a video on youtube so you could verify it. I also know of a workbuddie's road queen dieing last week after work, sounded like a lifter, but what would I know I never went to 13th grade like you did. I have 2 Honda's and Kaw dualsport neither one ever needed anything other than basic maintenance and I replace the cam chain tensioner on all of them with manual ones. They rattle on the CBRs, just a noise but for $50 why have a rattle. On the KLX I made my own on a mini mill I have and works great so far with no chain rattle, but then again I never attended the 13th grade so who knows? So tell me which is better a bike that requires a new top end every so often or one that only needs basic maintenance? Come up you graduated 13th grade you should be able to figure this one out. You can do it just take your time and remember to breath, come on it cannot be as hard as a final. Did you have any finals in 13th grade or did you just pay for a piece of paper?

By the way all of the "several bikes with 150+hp" will lose at the strip to me and my rr. I even had a 10.20 best pass on my little f4i that is still faster than any hardly time I have ever seen posted there. Every single one of them. It makes me laugh actually, if you want performance why not get a performance bike hardly riders???? I don't take the rr out in the woods and expect it to jump nor do I take the KLX to the track, right tool for the job I guess. Why ask a "stump puller" to go fast. Performance on a bike should also be able to corner at speed, ever hear of chicken strips. A REAL bike need high performance tire and a good rider should leave little to no rubber unused. You might have learned a little more about useing rubbers if you went to a real school with co-eds, god I miss college.

I hope you are able to understand my points here, although you do seem to miss them often when you post something calling me a fool on other people questions. Feel free to email me if you think you need to point something out to me rather than trying to do it behind my back like a coward, ok hardly boy?

>my bike is an '04 Dyna FXDX Sport (stock 88cid, approx 67hp @ 5200rpm / 75ft/lbs troque @ 3400rpm)… …Last month I dyno tuned it and got 108hp @ 6100rpm and 111ft/lbs torque @????rpm

So, basically what you are saying is, you bought a bike, knowing it did not give the performance that you wanted, and spent who knows how much in time, effort and cash, to nearly double the brake (?) horsepower (and either doubling or halving the engine life).

Surely, as a customer (and presumably not the only one given the huge number of aftermarket parts), you deserve to be able to buy, out of the crate, a bike that already has those figures? My, cynical, answer is that the aftermarket market is such a juicy profitable one that a manufacturer would be foolish to not pander to it.

PS Well said Choppy C

120 hp? FROM A HARLEY? Not without a lot of after market trickery and BIG bucks. 65 to 80 hp maybe. Other than the Porsche designed V-rod any 650 or larger sport bike will produce more hp. Torque is a different matter though. All sport bikes produce less torque simply due to their size. This is where size matters as well as whether it's a v-twin or an in-line, yada, yada, yada. Apples and oranges folks. In the end its all about your personal preference. Ride what you want to and to h*** with what the other guy thinks. Ride safe and ride well (and far).

Bottom line, some metric riders always have and always will hold an animosity towards Harley for some reason that they will never admit. They make up all kinds of excuses about weight, horsepower, etc. but when it comes down to it all of the things metric riders say about Harley could be said about other bikes as well. But yet it is always Harley that gets picked on. Hmmmm

Dodge actually put the V10 in their 1 ton dually pickups. It was retuned with a different cam for more low rpm power and would pull like a frieght train. The downside was the 10 mpg regardless of whether you were running empty or pulling a 20,000 pound trailer.

well, if you geared down the viper engine to make the top speed comparable to the dodge ram...they would pull the same load....

how about that?

now when have you ever seen a harley pull anything other than the dirtbags in the seat and maybe a light trailer?

at least goldwings can be converted into towtrucks...

basic fact is harleys have NO power, even for their displacement they should be on par with the goldwing from the factory, but they are NOT...why?

but but but, i thought your big twin was better than an inline....yet the golwing (an opposed 6, not v-6) has the same displacement makes more torque, and more horsepower...why? better engineering..hands down, game over...

look at the torque curve of a cbr1100xx vs a sportster 1200, at the same rev, they produce the same torque...

yes, really... the reason the XX has more than twice the horsepower in stock form is because it can rev twice as high without grenading...at equal rpm, there is basically equal torque... the difference is when my bike hits 8000 rpm, a second set of fuel injectors kick in, and boost the power to the roof. when your bike hits 8000 rpm, the connecting rods explode...

In my limited experience with these two vehicles, the Cummins is the way to go for hauling horses, freight, or whatever. Try that in the same truck with the Viper motor and you will sure go through some fuel, but can get the job done.

That said; The crotch rocket junkies just don't get it. The harley is designed for the low rpm, low stress, UN-temperamental power that has worked for oh, twice the life of any Honda and twice the life of the the entire Honda company. So I'd say harley has put in their time and earned their place at the top of the hill.

The kid with the Honda has cabeza por piedras disease.

apples and oranges! anyway we have allways done things to make H.D. faster,remember homemade stroker motors! [stroker plates!] I remember when 88 cubic inches was a huge motor! Then we went to 93,and finally 100 and 105 inch motors. I have a 150 inch merch motor in a Daytech frame. [unfinished bike] The big differance is that even with the same horsepower number its at a DIFFERANT R.P.M! Inline four have a short stroke and therfore HIGH R.P.M. where they make all that power. V twins have a longer stroke and make the power at much lower R.P.M. QUIT ARGUING AND RIDE!

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My Ducati has a v-twin and it is compared to inline 4 sportbikes, and I know my Ducati produces more torque than an archaic air-cooled HD engine.