Jesus and Buddha stood up to organized religion; why don't you?

Christians are not planting IEDs on the streets.

Edit... ArmBar...

The Crusades were started by Islamic Muslims.

630 Two years before Muhammad's death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting 'agreements' from northern tribes. They could enjoy the 'privilege' of living under Islamic 'protection' (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).

This tax sets the stage for Muhammad's and the later Caliphs' policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.

633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today's Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35).

634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: 'The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.' To this Khalid retorts: 'How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many' (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: '[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists' (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem's; the second mine).

634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet's daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad's wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali's supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad's grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad's death.

705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor

732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poi

I do. I stand up to the athiests who have a new religion one without a God but with all the zeal of the best and nuttiest Buddist and Chrisitan missianaries. Organized religion. OK so your parents were pycho chrisitans get over it and realize that the ONLY organized people digging wells in africa painting walls in New orleans are ORGANIZED reilgions Catholic charitees soup kitchens etc etc IF you were changing the world at ALL you would know who is standiing up to the NEW religions the one that replaced the church YEARS ago THE religions of secular greed and THE god of the Mega box store and all the sweat shops they own, WHo is feeding the children IF YOU were standing up to anyone or had any idea of who was in the trenches you would know its ALL those nutty relgios folk BUT hey GO have a Latte and feel smugly superior to the rest of the ******* world./

How, exactly do you know that I don't?

I have yet to be threatened by a Christian into believing what they do. Some groups can be a little pushy and insistent but all you have to do is simply walk away. And I do and don't feel that someone is aiming a gun at my back.

The Christofascism of the Right seems to have very little to do with Jesus and his teaching

@squrriel

Christians did have those nasty little incident like the Crusades and the Inquisition

@ thorcorn

The events that you are list happened 300 hundred years before the Christian Crusades... and still do not absolve the murder, rape an pillaging that the Christians committed during their nearly 300 year long Crusade-

And what does this have to do with politics, Lindsay? There is a Religion section on YA, you know.

At any rate, I don't discuss religion with people. I don't shove my views on the subject down people's throats. I believe in the freedom of religion we have in this country. It's really none of my business what someone else thinks.

I would be more concerned about islam genius, suicide bombers can be rather nasty i hear, or the occasional execution with a dull blade to saw off the head, never seen a christian do that. Food for thought.

And then there was Matin Luther who proclaimed all a Christian needed was a conscience and a bible.

I just don't get churches and believe organized religion is sometimes organized crime.

Jesus is the sole thing christianity is founded on, and he was Jewish

What does this have to do with politics?

You should post this in the religious section.

They stood up to organized religion. And I'm standing up to Obama's organized take over of America as we know it. Thanks for the encouragement.

uh good luck trying to reform those wingnuts, they chant non sense and think they're getting messages from god...f'n weirdos