Do Republicans understand this conundrum?

I asked a question very much like this one a week ago. The answers were incredible. Even while trying to answer the question they just couldn't bring themselves to admit that Medicare and Social Security are socialized programs. Or rather than admit they were, they were just smart azzes and said get rid of it all. I don't even know if they have the brain power to recognize irony.

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Paul: Now come on. Tell me how it's not ironic that a woman at a town hall said in the same breath "This is socialism! They better not touch my Medicare!"

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Sadie:

There is nothing, zero, zip, nada - in any of the proposed bills about illegal aliens being covered. In fact, there is language specifically pointing out that illegal aliens will NOT be covered.

You are part of the problem, not the solution. Please stop spreading misinformation.

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Fats:

More misinformation. Medicare is not failing because it doesn't work properly. Medicare actually does a pretty good job serving patients and getting the paperwork done. The reason Medicare is in so much trouble is because the government has gotten itself in trouble in other areas and has borrowed from the Medicare program time and again, always promising it would pay back into it later. Later has not happened. So now Medicare can't do what it needs to do and cover its patients 100%. Instead, seniors have to pay incredible premiums for health insurance that will cover what Medicare doesn't.

And of course it isn't going to be completely free. But the ways they have found to pay for 2/3's of it so far is not through raising our taxes. So far this year if you are single and working, you have already paid more than $350 in taxes to pay people's bills who have no insurance. If you are married, it's over $1100. I'd much rather not have to pay that, and pay for insurance for those who can't afford it. It's coming out one way or another.

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ArRo:

They don't get it because they don't want to get it, it's that simple. My mother is on a fixed income and a good portion of that goes to pay her supplemental insurance from BCBS. It's one of the main reasons she can't afford to live on her own so she lives with us. These people are infuriatingly and deliberately obtuse.

Republicans, and anyone else with a brain, use Medicare to argue against the health care reform bill because it only validates their argument that getting the government involved in health care is a huge mistake. Medicare, which is run by the government, is failing. The last thing we want to do is give the government more power to run our lives. They are completely incompetent and do not have to answer to us. When we have a Capitalistic society there are competing companies which try to service the customer and keep them happy so they can keep their business. The government doesn't care about you or me or keeping us happy. The less government involvement in our lives, the better. Plus, if you think this is gonna be 'free' think again. Nothing is free, especially where the government is concerned!

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It's obvious really. Medicare is a broke, unsustainable socialist public health care program, as you call it. The federal government enacted it, and the federal government has completely screwed it up. Now, they want to cut funds from the program that they force America's seniors to enroll in. If the crap program had never been enacted, we'd all be better off. Medicare is a shining example of the federal government being completely inept at running anything involved with health care.

What is too much to absorb is the fact that Democrats are pushing a bill that not only focuses on the YOUTH, but on ILLEGAL ALIENS also, at the expense of taxpayers, who are not only the 1% wealthy in this nation, but the middle and blue collar classes who PAY FOR EVERTHING!!!

Wrong.

Here is the argument(s).

1) PROPONENTS of this bill continue to float the 45 million uninsured number... which INCLUDES 10 million ILLEGALS. But THEN they affirm that illegals WON'T BE INCLUDED. (why include them in your DOOM numbers???)

2) This bill isn't about a "public option"... it is about the takeover of the insurance industry. Which does NOTHING to address the rising costs of health SERVICES (hint: you insurance company does NOT tell your doc how much to charge, it is the other way around)

3) This bill FORCES INDIVIDUALS to carry a "qualified" plan under penalty of a 2.5% TAX on their income!

You are the one who doesn't get it. No irony, it's apples and oranges.

Govt pays doctors but doesn't tell the doctors what they can or cannot do in regards to the healthcare choices they make for their patients.

You instill a govt run healthcare system and they will be telling the doctors what kind of care to withhold from seniors whom they deem not worthy of the expense. Yes, that is what will happen as the bill is written. READ IT and project if you can manage it.

Maybe they have the knowledge to see this for what it is. Why is it ironic to be against it? They may not want their children to have to rely on the government for health care like they did, it's called life experience.

What part of Medicare being VOLUNTARY and people do not have to participate....can your "intellect" not understand....IT is NOT a "socialistic" program.......and it is FAILING to boot....so how is it good??

Sept is almost here now you can go back to school...pay attention...and hopefully Learn something about REALITY

There is no way to compare Medicare to a Full-blown takeover of our health care system, where the government dictates what the people receive, and infringe on every aspect of our personal lives.