Need calculation on best deal on new car, to know if good deal?

god i hated dealing with people like u... its just a car! ur not gonna win a pulitzer prize for buying a car with style n grace. U dont see the dealer checking ur bank accounts before they start negotiating with u do u? its rude and understand they will throw u out on ur ear for mentioning the words "hold back" to them... dont get me wrong, everyone deserves a discount, but cars arent free and dealers dont need ur business that bad, all they have to do is "walk" you and the next guy wont pull ur stunt and they make a small profit and their goes ur "perfect" car, and trust me it'll happen. What u can do is ask them to see their invoice, they'll hate u for it but eventually they'll show u (by law) offer em that price plus tax n license. if u mention hold back you'll piss them off and negotiations will be over because it'll be about principal at that point. Hold back is a few hundred dollars if u need that kind of a discount u should be looking at a different car anyway.

Rule of thumb.... if u can afford it for sticker price the discount wont put it into ur budget range. dont beg a dealer for a car u cant afford.. 4,000 off equates to 80 less a month.. if u cant afford 500 u cant afford it for 420

Ask for dealer cost or slightly higher or tell them you'll walk