lets say 4 the sake of argument global warming is 100% fake.?

No, obviously burning fossil fuels is not a completely clean activity. However, when you make a policy, you need to have a goal. If your goal is to reduce pollution, then that is actually a different goal than reducing CO2 emissions. CO2 is not a pollutant, CO and SO2 and others are pollutants.

So how can you agree with CO2 reductions being the best policy to achieve your goal? It might just be a coincidence that reducing CO2 will also have the side effect of reducing other polluting gasses. But it would be very ineffective if that's your goal.

The realists are not saying we shouldn't continue to pursue alternative energy, or recycle, or stop any other move to a cleaner safer world. What we are saying is that the alarmists are falsifying info. to create a world wide exchange of monies. This ponzy scheme will be perpetrated through cap and trade carbon credits. This will greatly affect the people of the countries whose governments have been to blame for the pollution in the first place. Why can't America hold back on the next 500 billion, or whatever they need for manifest destiny and the policing of countries? And spend some of that on cleaning up the mess they've made? Not reimbursing poorer Nations, but actually cleaning up the mess, and maybe creating new, and larger solar energy tech.? If their falsified data isn't accepted this will be their only recourse. They are searching for a new illegal way to tax citizens!

No one thinks it's harmless. Those of us who look at all the evidence and find the case for global warming lacking just do no want to see trillions of dollars spent, huge bureaucracies created, and our freedom circumscribed just to lower the tiny fraction of global warming that might be of human origin.

In the journal Nature recently, Harvard and Princeton scientists presented evidence of a warming event some 125,000 years ago that raised sea levels some twenty feet higher than today. There were no coal-fired power plants, factories, planes, trains, or automobiles then. If the earth and sun go through periods of warming and cooling there is not much we can do about it.

Some astronomers have presented evidence that has been largely ignored that the sun is going through a hot phase and that the surface temperature of Mars has been going up slightly. Sorry, but we didn't do that.

Human nature is such that some people, under the right circumstances, will lie, cheat and steal to gain fame, power, money, research grants maybe.

Unfortunately, global warming is far from settled science, if it were these scientists would not have falisified data to "prove" their case.

Why then manipulate people if you have nothing to hide. that is the question. if you like to pay billion for something that doesn't change a thing then ok get manipulated. Cause the real deal here is how much more they can extract from your pocket to enrich a few and pretend it help the poorest not to pollute.

Is 2 bad make a good?No, let just use some restrain in both

It isn't fake. It WAS, and I mean WAS, happening but the warming period ended several years ago.

And you make a fine point about air pollution and we should add to that

- the contamination of our farmland by genetically modified crops and the dousing of such crops with outrageous quantities of pesticides and herbicides.

- bee colony collapse disorder (likely due to contamination by pesticides, genetically modified crops, or both),

- the contamination of our drinking water with pharmaceuticals, heavy metals and all manner of toxins,

- the contamination of the oceans

Through starvation, diseases from malnutrition and toxin poisoning, those problems will kill us a whole lot faster than global warming every could even if the (natural) warming had continued at the rate at which it was progressing before it stopped.

And creating carbon billionaires of the likes of Al Gore and his ilk will not solve those problems.

If we let the scam continue, there will be no resources available to fight the true threats I listed above.

Not at all -- AGW proponents need to learn how to evaluate each on its own merits rather than lumping all activities said to save the environment into one big pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I don't think you'd find a single rational person who would say pollution is a good thing and we should ignore it.

This has always been the case: As an example, compare the 1980 Cadillac to the 2009 Cadi.

Technological advance is a big component in competitive advantage.

CO2 and water are not pollution. The rest of the pollutants have been reduced to the level where they aren't much of a concern. That is the main reason that the alarmists have had to invent things to worry about.

sure if you stick your face in front of the car exhaust its not good for you, but supposedly neither are cow farts so should we make those extinct maybe?

what are you doing on the internet then? Don't you know that the power it takes to run your computer and electricity is creating harmful greenhouse gases? Maybe Satan is influencing you too.

Things are starting to leak out that maybe global warming was though to be true but was proven not and it is trying to be keeped silent

They are harmful to the environment. But gloobal warming is completely based on the manipulation of statistics.