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Have white working class Britons been left behind by New Labour?
John Denham, the Communities Secretary has published a report stating this and showing that Government initiatives and publicly funded projects aimed at ethnic minority groups have had a significant effect on white working class people. The report shows that 48% of the poorest white boys met targets for English and Maths at Primary School compared with 82% of Chinese pupils. The report also suggests that this is probably due to their home lives as few live in a home with a father figure. It also says that large numbers of complaints from people living on councils estates concerned with the influx of large numbers of immigrants have been met with the response that they're racist and that these people now feel totally disenfranchised by New Labour. A rather large can of worms for Mr Denham to open right before an election isn't it?
Private - does this mean you will vote Conservative then - you realise that a vote for the BNP will be a split vote therefore giving Brown some hope of getting back?
Mariachi - that was a brilliant post, thank you, i've certainly leared something from that today. Wonder why you've been thumbed down on it - perhaps there are a couple of those nationals on here who might feel we shouldn't know they have to support themselves here and can't claim benefits?
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- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Well Helen, I never like to say it but what the hell can the Government do about parents who just aren't interested in their kids? As for the kids not having a father...well, that comes down to cultural differences. Decades ago it was the very if a man fathered a child he would do the best he could by his wife and child. Now they can just walk away and no one says a word. TBH, if they wishy washy PC brigade started banging their drums about sh!tty parents and chastised them in public over it (made then social outcasts) they we'd probably have less of a problem. Stop getting the Social involved to pander to them.
The worst case I've ever seen was a girl I went to school with. She's 22 (the same age as me) and has 4 kids already. She had her first at 15 then another followed when she was 18, 19 and then 21. She's never worked a day in her life and didn't complete her "edukashun". Only two of her children (the middle ones) have the same father, whom she married and he turned out to be a total waste of space. He was on the dole for 2 years because he refused to work because of "back pain". When she told me she was having her 4th child I cut her off without a word. Don't have time for these idiots and nor should anyone else.
Why the hell should these people get special attention? Good on the 82% of chinese pupils for sticking in. It comes down to cultural difference. This Government has tried EVERYTHING to get the useless white underclass moving : free childcare (scotland)/Child tax credits, Back to work schemes, benefits run ons for when you do get into work, the In Work Grant. Let's not forget the chances the kids themselves get: free education up to the age of 18 and Apprentiships, Better access to Higher and Further Education...
There's so much been done for them and I think they have a bloody cheek! My point: GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE!!!!!
Source(s): my opinion, the former white underclass - noeusuperstateLv 61 decade ago
This is simply a cynical ploy to try to attract people who are thinking about voting BNP, a factor that is only around as a result of the failure of the political classes to address the real issues in people's lives.
Labour has a big problem in many areas as there are no major industries left in the UK to support high levels of semi and unskilled workers. A huge part of the population that education in of itself cannot 'cure'.
Many people learn by doing not by listening and their skills are gained through years of useful employment.
This lack of meaningful work is a problem for the whole of our culture as those who can work in the 'virtual sectors' are being separated from those who need a more practical set of tasks.
They are being separated culturally, economically and emotionally (spiritually if you like) our communities are fragmenting, they may be living in close proximity but they have little in common and Labour's failure has re-enforced a kind of class divide that was last prevalent in Victorian times.
This is creating resentment and anger out of fear for the future. The BNP understands this the rest of the political class is playing catchup. Denham's clumsy intervention merely shows how far removed these people are from everyday reality
- 1 decade ago
I believe that poverty is more likely to have an effect on education rather than the lack of a father figure. If we compare children from one parent (Mother) families at both ends of the social spectrum, I think we would find that children from the upper end fared better in all aspects. As for people feeling disenfranchised, unfortunately New Labour have very little say on who comes to the UK. Looking at the website below it becomes very clear what the agenda is.
http://www.aboutimmigration.co.uk/rules-for-visito...
Hi Helen, Someone once said knowledge is power. Regarding the thumbs down, I am erroneously labelled as a racist by the lefties who will probably cause me to close my account again. I don't have the inclination to spar with them.
It is funny really our best friends are Jewish and my lovely neighbour is a Muslim. But there we go. LOL
I will keep coming back occasionally.
- ShamblingLv 51 decade ago
Poor John - he's actually admitting in writing that the Government has, through the policies of his own colleagues managed to create a new social divide.
Poor John - he along with leader Gordon Brown (and others) is trying to play 'the class card'.
Poor John - politically he's shot himself and the Government in the foot.
Poor John - he' s so wrapped up in fervour he doesn't even realise what he's done.
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- becLv 61 decade ago
A lot of it has to do with culture, expectations, work ethic. You can't compare the children of chinese immigrant families who may be supported and pushed at home to kids where generations have decided that benefits are more lucrative and less hard work than working for a living. Actually that's simplistic too - we don't manufacture much in this country any more. People who would have worked in factories and had apprenticeships in the past don't have that any more.
- 1 decade ago
YES! And it doesn't take Professor of Social studies to work that out. Most government figures relating to this sort of 'exposure to the truth' is suppressed.
'The report also suggests that this is probably due to their home lives as few live in a home with a father figure.'?
Teenage mothers see pregnancy as a 'career move'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/...
Why work? Single mothers can find themselves better off on benefits
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1226636/...
The single mother life style took off after the Conservatives, under Margaret Thatcher, changed the way benefits allowances were paid out to single mothers. Many single mothers are young, under-educated and without experience in the labour market. An under-educated generation will I should think beget an underage generation. Are these good role models?
Obviously it can't all be blamed on single parents in the 21st century. But then again what do people really expect from a generally 'Slovenly' generation. Also what is not mentioned is the heavy funding, (from the tax-payers) given out to promote femail/feminst projects.
As far as I am aware there is no government funding to promote male/maleist projects, i.e. discrimination, equal education, advanced 'male only' training in the workplace.
I also agree with noeusuperstate.
Political parties are panicking because of the following the BNP have gained. Labour, Conservative, Liberal etc are only your friends come election times. They don't give a feck about your views other times.
Source(s): A working class been left behind by New Labour. - ?Lv 61 decade ago
They certainly have.
A perfect illustration of this is provided by Ms Harriet Harman in the news today. God I hate that woman with a vengeance. It was only labour's wimmin's quota system that put her where she is in the first place.
The Chinese are ok by me –Â they work hard and don't ask for anything.
- SteptoeLv 51 decade ago
Labour, New or otherwise has never had any time for White English people, they pander to ethnic minorities, the scots, the Welsh, the Irish, in fact anybody - so long as they are not English.
Our history has been distorted, our culture taken from us, we are a betrayed people - and who is to blame? Why we are ourselves, we have stood by as this labour government has successfully denuded us of all our old values.
Labour, and perhaps the Tories too, want an English underclass, more obsessed with xbox, Wii, eastenders and Man Utd, than interested in politics, people who so long as they have their mobile in one hand and a McDonald's burger in the other don't give a toss about what politicians get up to.
As for the rest of us? Those who do care? If we speak out against 'positive discrimination' we are classified as racist!
Disenfranchised? you bet we are
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I would say yes.
Nu Liars are far to busy stumbling around in the dark, like bumbling fools to smell the sh.it storm right under their noses. It's obvious they care about little other than staying in power or at the least making such a horrendous mess of gov't that any new party taking the reins will have a nightmare to sift through.
EDIT: Capt Blackwell,
I agree with some of your comments, but one thing they haven't tried to get the lazy working is CUT OFF THE FU>CKING DOLE, work or starve. Giving the idle money, makes it ok to be idle, and children learn from their parents. To bad about your ex-mate, as if she has any daughters they will undoubtedly also be knocked up by 15, and repeating the cycle for yet another generation.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
White working class British throughout time have ALWAYS been trodden on and disaffected because of their strength in numbers. Thatcher knew this so allowed everyone to buy their council homes resulting in the working class disbanding and the warped mentality that buying a decrepit home from the corrupt council made them middle class. Theres no such thing as working class today, they have been replaced by the new generation:
The Undeserving Poor.