Government health coverage based on success in Europe and Canada?

The only people who really stand to lose are the wealthy. It's understandable that they don't like this, but they are twisting the facts to gain popular support.

What low-income earners don't realize is how they're being played like a harp from hell by the fat cats that run the GOP. They stand to benefit the most from universal health care. Evoke 9/11, bring out Toby Keith, and talk about god & guns and the small town folk just fall in line.

You've probably never even been to those countries. Germany has a great system and they are quite economically solvent. I already pay 35% of my income to various taxes (not including sales tax), and if another 15% would guarantee the social comforts (infrastructure that isn't crumbling, good schools, universal healthcare, generous social security, etc) of Germany, then so be it.

What you say is blatantly untrue. The social benefits given the people in the EU are provided by taxes on corporations. That is why they protect their companies. For example, you can not import aspirin into Germany because Bayer has an aspirin plant in Germany. If you want another brand of aspirin, you must start a company in Germany to produce that brand of aspirin and hire German employees.

The top personal Income Tax in the EU is 42% for the weathiest people and it declines with your income. Compare that to 80% for the wealthiest people in the U.S. with the average person paying 30% in federal taxes plus State Income Taxes and in some U.S. cities, a City Income Tax.

The EU does have an advalorium tax that is the same as a sales tax. It varies with each country and varies with the product purchased. The sales tax varies in the EU from 7% to 19%. The highest two countries are. France and Germany. France to maintain the many palaces, and monuments. Germany has it to rebuild the infrastructure in the old Communist East Germany.

The average tax payer in Oregon is paying 69% of their income in taxes when the different taxes are added up. The average U.S. citizen pays a lot more taxes than the average European and is receiving a considerable amount less than the average European.

It's a standard tactic of the left; emotion based people--not logic--attempting to change the world with neat-o ideas and hopeful thoughts.

Canada already has had a private insurer step up to cover you while you wait for your own country and tax dollars to. It's called Medical Access Insurance...

http://www.acurehealth.com/

Do you know how it works? If your doctor tells you to see a specialist, and you have to wait 45 DAYS OR MORE to see them, this company will send you somewhere else, INCLUDING AMERICA, to seek the treatment you'd still be waiting for in the Healthcare Utopia of Canada.

How about the Canadian Premier who came to America for his heart surgery? Is that what we have to look forward to? Substandard care for the people who keep this country together, while we watch the politicians--who are actively trying to tear it apart--get boutique care?

Do ANY of you pay attention to the real world?

I already pay 30+% of my income to the government; my property taxes go up every year. And I already pay 7% on everything I buy.

Canada's and many European countries' health-care systems are collapsing under their own weight. This would be the opportunity to see what works there and what works here and create a rational well thought out bill. However, Pelosi is in charge of the House and she only reacts with pure emotion and seldom relies on rational thought..

You fail to mention also that the government run health care system in Great Britain started to run out of money late last year. They increased taxes, wait time and reduced the coverage. Sounds like a "model" plan...

No one ever said the health care would be free, just universal.

Unfortunatly, it cannot even be universal if there is no health care to give.

This bill does not encourage health care workers to continue working or our best and brightest students to go into the health care industry.

We end up paying everything we have for something we will not get.

did you know here in Canada the "low blow" of politics is to accuse your opponent of advocating American style heath care?

I once say an interview done by Pat Buchanan with Preston manning (he's sort of the Canadian Ross Perot) Preston spend a good deal of time explaining that Canadian would never allow anyone to dismantle the heath care system for fear we would end up with a system simmilar to the unites states.

Nope. Some people heard the word free and lost the ability to reason. I gave up trying to convince anyone that nothing is free, never has been, never will be.

Yes I think they are basing the health care agenda on "success" in europe and canada just like they are basing cap and trade for "global warming" on "science" that is NOT PEER REVIEWED. Commy bastards!