Jehovah's Witnesses & Others Who Obey God's Law On Fleeing From Fornication....?

I would agree with the brother. Why?

Because if he agreed and it hurt his conscience or he went against his conscience, it would be damaging to him. The danger to him is greater by agreeing than that of the one sleeping on a couch in the lounge area.

The "exile" wouldn't be harmed by sleeping in a lounge couch, and might make him think that HE should have stood his ground as did my sister VOT.

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And to the ones "questioning" VOT attending college, in those Watchtowers, it is stated to be personal decision that a Christian had to determine for "themselves". You are not a judge of another "member" of the household of God. YOU are not knowing the circumstances that made another's choice a valid one for them.

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in any place, essentially you have to agree, in some form or another, for someone to spend the night. If you didn't make your standards known beforehand, then you essentially told them that it wouldn't be a problem.

I only mention this, because you seemed to put a lot of emphasis on the fact that your living arrangements require the consent of the roommate to have someone spend the night. I really don't think that this is a necessary piece of information.

If you leave the room for the night, (the one exception being those few couples who wouldn't have a problem being there or not) you are enabling them to do the act. likewise, (again, except for a few rare situations) if you host an exiled person, you are enabling their enabling of the situation.

At the same time, though, you have to ask yourself what Christ would do. When Christ told the crowd that it wouldn't be just to stone the prostitute, was He enabling the prostitute to continue to be what she was? Yes, He told her to go and sin no more, but is this really going to get everyone in the same situation to stop? If you are going to do as Christ, then these are very serious questions. If you are going to host someone, you have to make it very clear that you don't approve of what is going on, and that you won't do so again.

Not so sure what I would do in the same situation. The above are my thoughts, and not necessarily my opinion on the matter.

What's that thing about a butterfly flapping its wings in Tokyo ... chaos theory?

I think each christian should respect the conscience of another, so if a brother thinks that harbouring and "exile" is enabling fornication then HE should not do it; personally, I would only try and control my space and my decisions. You put up a friend that is helping out a girl that is paying her mother that is buying drugs that eventually kills the neighbours dog... do you buy your neighbour a new dog?

Like Paul said, if we really want to quit mixing with fornicators we have to leave the planet [I am of coure paraphrasing] so while we COULD take the "guilty by association" thing real far if we joined all the dots - you have to be reasonable. Bottom line, I might feel bad putting up an "exile" but I might not, depends on what colour the butterfly was...

Not much help I know, but I enjoyed writing this...lol

EDIT: Just to clarify, I was referring to harbouring an exile NOT agreeing to become one which (like Vot) I personally absolutely would not agree to do.

Hi, Vot,

Since, as you proved, it isn't really "exile" but voluntary cooperation with the fornication, it seems to me that you'd be enabling it, either from one end of the process or the other, wouldn't you? I think you certainly did the right thing--they were just huffing and puffing because you wouldn't let them push you around, which is pretty conceited and totally self-centered on their part, if you want my honest opinion.

Glad to see someone else loves ice cream as much as I do!

Best regards,

Mike

He said "enabled" as if the folks that were getting together - and the person who left - should share the same moral values as him.

If one has a problem with fornication, fine, but that definitely shouldn't extend to turning people away that are sexiled by their roommates- Especially when the alternative for the sexilee is to sleep on a lounge couch.

Like someone mentioned, one could put their foot down, but the behavior would continue elsewhere anyway- all one would accomplish in refusing to accommodate an amorous roommate's love interest is introducing tension into the relationship between themselves and their roommate.

Now, the case in which I do agree with you, and with several of the below posters, is when the sexiled person sees fornication as wrong AND his roommate also claims to see such behavior as morally reprehensible.

Hi Sis, I think this is right around the same thing as knowing one of the friends has committed a gross sin and you say nothing. It isn't always popular to stand up for what's right, in fact, sometimes it's downright hard, especially in this morally corrupt world, but I see where that brother was coming from. By leaving you ARE allowing fornication to take place, which implies approval, whereas if your put your foot down and say NO, then the offenders would be forced to go elsewhere, or it would force them to not have sex.

At least that's how I see it. :)

yeah...okay I thought we weren't supposed to attend college especially live on campus?! How many watchtowers have talked about furthing our education? I understand a tech school for learning a language and furthering the good news but you don't live on campus!

To get to your question- yes I believe you would be "enabling" the situation. It would be the same if a parent said yes you can have sex in my house with someone your not married to. They're encouraging it and not sticking up for what is right in Jah's eyes and laws.

Ha! NO ONE exiled me during my college years so that they could have sex. It went against my religious morals, and obviously, choosing to abstain myself, the "favor" would have never been returned. Yeah, my roommates didn't like it, but eventually learned to live with it. They'd usually end up going to the girl's place.

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I would say that if the exile choose to leave then yes it would be enabling. However, if the non-exile was going to fornicate regardless of if the exile stayed or not and the exile left so he would not have to witness this sin then I probably would house them. Also another reason on my list that I'd rather not go to college.

Hosting an "exile" is a form of agreement with the arrangement, IMHO. It's saying "it's okay to forgo your own moral code and encourage immorality" if it's going to inconvenience someone. Pfui on that! Tell the "exile" to get a spine and either refuse to allow the situation or lose a good night's sleep because of his/her cowardice.