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I tossed my 16 year old out of the house?

It's a long story but here's the "Reader's Digest" version... I divorced 11 years ago... messy... we have joint custody but the ex had primary residence, I saw (and still see) the kids (4) often... I remarried 5 years ago... kids like my wife... 4 years ago ex diagnosed bi-polar... she's also an alcoholic and booze doesn't work with the meds... I went to court and had the primary residence changed to me due to neglect (no food in the house, no lunches for school, no direction or discipline/rules/supervision etc.). At the time the kids were 10, 13, 16, 18.

The problem child I have with me is the second youngest: now 16 1/2. Over the last 6 months he has deposited empty envelopes in the ATM and withdrawn money, stolen from all of us in the house and most recently a new pair of $100 runners from one of his older step brothers (denied it and still no sign of them).

Last week we got a call from the bank that he had deposited some stolen cheques and was back to get the money out... his friend stole them from his parents and got my son involved to commit the fraud... we have called the police on him umpteen times and it isn't sinking in.

He always has an excuse why he can't find a part time job. We are very non-confrontational and this is a non-violent house as it isn't tolerated on any level. We have basic rules that are common sense and not remotely tough by anyone's standards. This isn't a bad place to live as long as you respect other people's things, their space, their feelings and go to school/work and put in the effort to succeed.

He has been lucky to date NOT to get arrested and charged... in the latest case the other parent didn't want to press charges and the bank didn't get the originals back (as yet) as evidence of fraud so THEY could charge him... we'll see if they materialize over the next little bit. A month ago (for 4/20) he tried to organize a park party in a town-owned park with booze and dope (BYO) and used facebook and his cell phone for RSVPs... I took the computer and the cell phone.

He skips class, got nailed for smoking dope on school property and got a 3-day in-school suspension and he's failing 3 of 4 subjects this semester. I don't think he's an addict, I don't think he's a boozer... I think he's just one of those trying to get something for nothing and find ways to beat the system.

We have SHOWN him (with real-life consequences) that this is not the way to live and it won't work but he just falls back after 3 weeks. He shows little remorse in any form and almost seems textbook sociopathic. He has not been diagnosed or labelled with any "disorder" and I reject the idea of that whole line of 'defense'.

I set him up with counselling at the school with a youth worker. He is just a victim and product of his youth and we have tried for the last 4 years to show him what life really is as opposed to what he had as a life before he came to live here. I have never bad-mouthed his mother... then or now... that tact NEVER helps anyone.

I am at wits-end and tossed him out last Monday at the recommendation of (of all people) a police officer who had lived a similar childhood with a sibling; who straightened out following the "toss out".

Further counseling is out for this one as he just says what you want to hear... even to the counselors... he did the therapist thing for a while after his mother and I split as he was identified as suffering from "separation anxiety"... apparently it did no good as he seems to have "separated from society" in my opinion.

He called this morning to see if I would let him come home... he offered no apology, no plan, no ideas of preventing this sort of thing in the future... nothing. When I said "no not now" he just said "ok" and hung up. Am I missing something here?

I am a reasonably well educated person but... I was brought up in a very strict house and it didn't hurt me at all. I am in no way nearly as strict as I was brought up but in today's world, the kids have more, are exposed to more and want more than we ever did. Not a bad thing for them but ya gotta work for it somehow.

Anyone have any constructive ideas or comments?

Update:

Thanks for the first 4 answers... yes he's my kid and I love him to death... many levels of police are involved here (youth task force, detectives, street level officers)... it isn't illegal to toss him at 16 here or I would have been charged... I always talk (yelling isn't me) to him but he says little in return: a total zone-out... I still don't think he's an addict... I am trying to find him a place to get some help as I am obviously not capable and/or successful to date.

Update 2:

He spent 6 days wearing out his friends and has since landed up at his mother's house. She is VERY confrontational with me and thus he may be gone for good and not in the best place to be... I am working on outside assistance buy might not be able to 'get him back' to get him into the programs... I hope I haven't blown it here. Thanks so much for all your respective input; it has allowed me to think with ideas I didn't have.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Wow! You've got a package! I must commend you on coming this far with him! I really don't know what to tell you. It breaks my heart to hear these horror stories! I'm sure your heart is to broken to break any more!

    I can only tell you that a person should not be labeled with any disorders or they will not believe they can improve! The second thing I feel is very important is to take a personal interest in his interests! This shows that you care and it allows you to know what he's up to, so you can act if you must! You only act when it's dangerous! You can tell him gently that you don't agree with what he's up to, but no more! Never try to stop his silly desires since he won't listen to you and he can only learn from his mistakes (that aren't dangerous). Tell him that you will always love him no matter what he does and you threw him out only because you love him! You are still interested in what he does and you hope he'll keep in touch! Maybe take him out to eat one night, just the two of you! Hope this was helpful! Good luck!

  • 1 decade ago

    Good job kicking that little f'er out. No kid is worth that much and if one of my 7, yes 7, kids were to act like that they'd get a beating an a see you later, have fun on the streets. When he comes crawling back and finally begs for forgiveness let him in, but tell him things are gonna change whether he likes it or not otherwise he can leave again. And don't blame him for smoking pot. He's 16 dont tell me you didn't when you were that age. I was like a god darn chimney when i was 16. But that's my opinion. Tough love, the only real kind.

  • 1 decade ago

    I do have to say i commend you for being so strong sure this is hard. I was a bad teenager and I ran away a lot and stole and so on. My parents let me sit in the detention hall threatened to send me away and so on. Nothing ever worked I was very angry they moved me from cali to nevada and I lost it. I went to a psychiatrist and a therapist who which by the way say through my bull **** its their job. When i turned 18 I started getting Better I was still angry at my parents and now I am fine and am normal lol, but the best thing i can say its get Professional help. The school concealers suck honestly and they are really bad they just sit there and listen and what he needs is someone to see through his ****. He really sounds angry and instead of expressing that he is hurt he acts out and gets attention from the bad people. I did too cause I thought my parents where the enemy and they knew me better and blah blah. There is hope and I hope he gets better and over comes this. Hes a product of his child hood and he made the choice to go down the bad road nad it will b his choice to change his path.

  • 1 decade ago

    I'm a lawyer, mother/stepmother of 4 kids in their teens and early 20s, and a therapist in training, and I've got to tell you, this cries out to me as being more than just maladjustment. I suspect that your son, like your first wife, may have a mental illness or personality disorder. It sounds like you've tried everything in your power to figure out how to help him, including counseling, but I think you should give some thought to having him evaluated by a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist.

    As far as kicking him out...well, I know that others will disagree with me on this, but I just don't think it's appropriate to kick out a kid at that age. I'm not judging you, I am sure this is awful, and it must seem to you like nothing else has worked...I really understand why you did it...and maybe this is because I'm female...but I just couldn't do that, not at 16.

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  • 1 decade ago

    I really hate it when it comes to having to use "Tough Love" . Did you also contact Police over this stuff for advice? The kid is still a minor you know. The adults he has contact with are contributing to the delinquency of a minor to let him get away with this crap and also need to be charged. I know that it didn't help to have such a mom as he got stuck with but those are the breaks. Child Protective Services should also need to be involved. I know that Counseling may not be working out but I think you need to keep trying. Another councilor maybe? Different type?

    Good luck.

  • 1 decade ago

    If your sons sociopathic, or has anti-social personality disorder as they're calling it now he has little chance of getting better. If its a past environmental problem as you suppose I would listen to the police officer let your son out of the house to figure out things for himself, give him some space. You also need a break for him. You tried everything you can leave him alone for a month or two and check up on him every so often to see how he's doing. He might come home a better man, once he apologizes.

  • ?
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    5 years ago

    That's a tough situation. It seems that he thinks he can get away with anything because there have actually never been serious consequences. I think juvenile hall would do him some good. He shouldn't be allowed to get away with theft and organize drug parties. He's going to become an adult in less than two years and he needs to get straightened out before he gets in serious trouble. Best of luck.

  • rhonda
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    sounds like a drug problem. get him help! u cant just kick him out! that's illegal!

    your son needs rehab and counseling! he's not a stray dog, he a kid in need of help. call your local family counseling center or anything that u have .look in beginning of phone book, pink/blue section. they have all the places and numbers for help in your community. good luck!

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I work with at-risk youth for a living. I would put him in rehab. There's no doubt in my mind he's a drug addict.

  • 1 decade ago

    Wow. You have a very messed up kid. Throwing him out was wrong though. Talk to him. Ask him why he is acting the way he is. Don't throw him out, he's your kid after all.

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