LDS, the Great Apostasy (Fall of the Church) are you saying Jesus lied about the gates of Hell not prevailing?

It is not just LDS: All the 30,000 Protestant splinter groups reject Jesus' idea for his one, undivided church.

Note his prayer in John 17: "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

I am continually surprised that our Protestant friends either don't understand Jesus' teachings in the gospels or don't take them seriously, which is quite ironic for Christians who claim to stand by the Bible alone.

In this case, don't they know Jesus started an actual human organization that still continues to this day? Don't they know he prayed on the eve of his crucifixion that all Christians would remain unified? Or don't they care?

Charitably, I'm hoping that the former is the case.

Cheers,

Bruce

The church didn't fall. The people did. After the deaths of the Savior and His Apostles, men corrupted the principles of the gospel and made unauthorized changes in Church organization and priesthood ordinances. They took their "house" and slowly moved it onto the sand. There was nothing wrong with the gospel; people just changed it so it wasn't the gospel, they had something different. I do not think that by "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against [the church]," that Christ meant that no one would ever become corrupted by the Devil, and pervert the Lord's ways. He didn't say that there would never be any wickedness that would arise in the world and destroy people's lives. He meant that in the end, righteousness would win. And that's exactly what will happen.

Jesus did no longer lie, We have confidence that Christ replaced into no longer conversing of the Church while he reported that the gates of hell shall no longer succeed against "it." The question pertains to what replaced into he referencing while he reported "it", replaced into it the Church, or replaced into it the revelation that Jesus replaced into the Messiah (Christ). Mormons comprehend that Christ replaced into concerning the revelation that Peter recieved and that's what the gates of hell shall no longer succeed against. No Mormon ever claimed that Jesus lied. And an apostasy did ensue, the Catholic faith is an apostate faith, and replaced into no longer based upon an identical factor that Christ geared up the church upon.

Most take the parable you cite from Matthew to be referring to faith, not the church. Something which is built on faith will withstand tribulation. Likewise, some take Matthew 16:18 to again be referring to faith instead of Peter specifically, which from your translation seems weird but is much less so in other translations.

Taken that way, it isn't a promise that a direct church would follow from Jesus and be uncorrupted for all time. Clearly if that was your interpretation, it has proven false: no church has done this (Borgias, anyone?). Instead, it is a promise of the value of faith, which Mormons would say was proved by Smith finding the true way after it was lost.

That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church [The Catholic Church]; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.To be deep in history is to cease being Protestant.

Apostasy is not the fall of the Church but a falling away from the Church. Big difference there. Oh, and I am not LDS.

No, Jesus didn't lie, just like Harry Potter didn't lie. Fictional people cannot lie. Their inventors can, however.