For Discerning Christians Only: How do you see this?

As pertaining to His humanity, Jesus could say that His Father was greater than He Himself. The Father was greater, not because His deity was greater than that of Jesus' (Jesus was Yahweh become flesh), but in the respect that the Father (God as the all existing Spirit) was not subject to any of the limitations of human existence as was Jesus.

Not only did the Sonship have a beginning, but it will, in at least one sense, have an ending. This is evident from I Corinthians 15:23-28. In particular, verse 24 says, "Then cometh the end, when he [Christ] shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father…" Verse 28 says, "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." This verse of Scripture is impossible to explain if one thinks of a "God the Son" who is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father. But it is easily explained if we realize that "Son of God" refers to a specific role that God temporarily assumed for the purpose of redemption. When the reasons for the Sonship cease to exist, God (Jesus) will cease acting in His role as Son, and the Sonship will be submerged back into the greatness of God, who will return to His original role as Father, Creator, and Ruler of all. Ephesians 5:27 describes this same scene in different terms: "That he [Christ] might present it to himself a glorious church…" Jesus will present the church to Himself! How can this be, in light of I Corinthians 15:24, which describes the Son presenting the kingdom to the Father? The answer is clear: Jesus in His role as Son, and as His final act as Son, will present the church to Himself in His role as God the Father.

We find another indication that the Sonship has an ending.

In Acts 2:34-35, Peter quoted David in Psalm 110:1: "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand until I make thy foes thy footstool."

We should note the word until. This passage describes the dual nature of Christ, with the Spirit of God (the LORD) speaking prophetically to the human manifestation of Christ (the Lord). The right hand of God represents God's power and authority. Making foes a footstool means utterly defeating the enemy and making an open show of their defeat. In ancient times, the victor sometimes did this literally, placing his foot on his enemies' heads or necks (Joshua 10:24). So the prophecy in Psalm 110 is this: The Spirit of God will give all power and authority to the man Christ Jesus, the Son of God, until the Son has completely vanquished the enemies of sin and the devil. The Son will have all power until He does this. What happens to the Son after this? Does this mean an eternal person of a trinity will stop sitting on the right hand of God or lose all power? No. It simply means that the role of the Son as ruler will cease. God will use His role as Son - God manifest in flesh - to conquer Satan, thereby fulfilling Genesis 3:15 in which God said the seed of the woman would bruise the head of the devil. After that, God will no longer need the human role to rule.

After Satan is cast into the lake of fire and all sin is judged at the last judgment (Revelation 20), there will be no further need for the Son to exercise the throne of power. Jesus Christ will cease acting in His Sonship role and will be God forever.

Does this mean that God will cease using the resurrected and glorified body of Christ? We believe that Jesus will continue to use His glorified body throughout eternity. This is indicated by Revelation 22:3-4, which describes a visible God even after the last judgment and after the creation of the new heaven and earth: "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec (Hebrews 7:21), even though He will cease acting in His role as priest after the last judgment. The Lord's glorified human body is immortal just like ours will be (I John 3:2; I Corinthians 15:50-54). Although the glorified body of Christ will continue to exist, all the reasons for the reign of the Sonship will be gone and all the roles played by the Son will be over. Even the Son will be placed under subjection so that God may be all in all. It is in this sense that the Sonship will end.

A=Apostolic

B=Believer

I=In

O=One

G=God

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Distinctions do not equal "distinct persons" or "distinct beings", and the argument that Jesus cannot be God, because He is His Son is a case of forcing human terms of relationships onto God and therefore not valid. Those who teach such do well to reject the false doctrine of the Trinity, but they are mistaken in taking it to the extreme of altogether denying that Jesus is God.

1) There is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 45:5).

2) The Father is the only true God (John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6).

Logic applied to Jesus:

3) Jesus is God (Colossians 2:9; 1 Timothy 3:16; Isaiah 44:6 with Revelation 1:17-18).

4) Therefore, Jesus must be the Father (John 14:9; John 10:28-30)

Logic applied to the Holy Spirit

3) The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God (1 Corinthians 2:11,13; Matthew 3:16 with Luke 3:22).

4) Therefore, the Holy Spirit must be the Spirit of the Father (Mark 13:11; Luke 12:12 with Matthew 10:20).

The distinction is not between "persons in the Godhead," nor is it between "persons" at all but between God existing both as an authentic and complete human being with a distinct human consciousness and will (Son) and as God omnipotent continuing to exist apart from humanity with a distinct divine consciousness and will (Father). "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).

Apostolic Believer in One God, JESUS

With regards to the Father being greater: It was at the time Jesus was speaking that the Father was greater because Jesus was in human form. He'd set aside his divinity to be able to die for our sins (Phil 2:6-8). When he ascended to heaven he returned to his place of absolute unity with the Father, so when God/Yahweh reigns in the completed Kingdom the Trinity is in power, not just the Father.

I would venture to say that when Jesus returns and establishes the Kingdom fully, it will be greater than anything we're experiencing right now. I would be hard pressed to say that our Creator is lesser or greater at any time, but I believe our experience of his greatness will improve in the eternal Kingdom. So I guess I see this in a dual way. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are omni-everything, so they are never lesser or greater. But our experience of their presence definitely has lesser and greater aspects. So from that point of view I can agree with Henry's statement.

Jesus in his human form is subject to the Father. When he was first questioned about the coming Kingdom Jesus spoke Matt 24:36. "No one knows about the day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." As a human his knowledge was finite. But then when he's questioned again in Acts1:6, the resurrected and glorified Jesus replies in Acts 1:7. "It is not for you to know the times and dates the Father has set by his own authority." Now he tells them they can't know, not that he doesn't know.

I see this as false doctrine. With regards to John 14:28 we see that Jesus and The Father are two distinct beings. "I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." In 1 Corinthians 15, the great chapter on the resurrection, we learn that Jesus is subject to the Father in verse 28. He's not subject unto himself, that's crazy, only a schizophrenic would say that. And finally from Psalm 110 in the very first verse it says, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand..." This is referencing two people, the greater is the LORD, all caps referencing the Father, and the second is the Lord, or the Son who sits on the right hand of the Father. Can you imagine this being interpreted, "Jesus said unto Jesus?"

These scriptures show us that the Father and the Son are two distinct individuals. Jesus is always the savior and will always be the mediator between us and the Father, this does not change due to location.

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What is right and what is wrong

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Now you know why religion is in the state it is for

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Mankind got their hands on how to do it better

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YIKES!!!! This is why the bible warns in the last days there will be false teachers and prophets. Satan is clever....and subtle.

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