If the Confederacy defeated the Union during the American Civil War, would they have later supported Hitler?

As you said, the Confederacy winning the Civil War could have had huge repurcussions on history, not the least of which would be a Nazi Germany never existing. Ignoring that however:

There is little likelihood that the Confederacy would have wanted anything to do with Germany and thus would not have allied Hitler if he had risen to power. The main reason is that during the Civil War, we know that the only two nations that seriously considered recognizing the Confederacy were France and Great Britain. The Confederacy obviously would have wished to strengthen these ties with those two nations if it prevailed in the Civil War. By translation then it is obvious that the Confederacy would want nothing to do with an emerging German power, as Germany ended up becoming a major rival to France and Britain. The Confederacy simply would not risk its allies in Europe to support the German state- irregardless of whoever was in power or what their stance was on anything- including Jews.

I also wholeheartedly disagree with your slavery stance. During the Civil War, the fact that the Confederacy specifically endorsed the institution of slavery was a major reason why France and Britian DIDN'T recognize their country. In Europe during this time, all the nations were moving away from srvitude and serfdom (as even Russia would do in the 1860's) and towards the free market capitalist system that flourished in the 1900's. Slavery was not a part of that. Sooner or later, in order to survive in the increasingly international and industrial world, the Confederacy, by international pressue, would have been forced to free their slaves. Most historians agree.

Slavery was not only a system that was looked down on internationally, but was also inefficient. The Industrial Revolution began about 20 years after the end of the Civil War. If the Confederacy at this stage was still clinging hopelessly to its archaic institution of slavery, the Confederacy simply would economically fail. By NECESSITY, they would have had to change their system, sooner or later. This is not to say that the Confederacy would not have placed severe restrictions on blacks once freed (as they did during Reconstruction post Civil War), it is only to say that the Confederate Congress, sooner or later, in order for their country to survive, would have had to abolish the practice.

There's a book series you HAVE to read if you are interested in this stuff. It's by Harry Turtledove and the first book is called "How Few Remain." It starts in the 1880's if the Confederacy had won the Civil War and goes all the way through what the world would look like by WWII, they read like novels, I highly recommend.

I can give you a long and educated dissertation that would convince you why Hitler and the Nazi Party could never have risen to power if the CSA had "won" the Civil War, but I'll refrain. Lets suffice it to say that your proposition is completely implausible. If somehow, beyond all logic and probability it could have come to pass that the CSA and Nazi Germany came to co-exist in the 1940's, I can say unequicocally that the federation of southern states would not have supported Nazi Germany. Despite the issue of slavery, the southern aristocracy had even stronger ties to England than the North did and support for Nazi Germany would have been more or less non-existent. And, as a matter of historical fact, more southerners enlisted in hopes of fighting the Nazis than did northerners prior to the declaration of war, if that is any indication about where southern sentiments lay.

Now I'll address a few of your other suppositions. Even if the CSA had managed to gain independence, I can provide a convincing argument why slavery could not have persisted for another 80 years. I can also give convincing evidence that Hitler was not "all about white power" , that the south would not have been any more a "Christion nation" than the USA is today, and that people in the Middle East are not forced to worship Allah. But I can't blame you for such foolish beliefs. I accept the sad fact that the world is full of narrow-minded and opinionated people who have no real grasp of history and choose to remain ignorant of the facts. Judging from the hints you have dropped about your beliefs, you would probably have made a marvelous candidate for recruitment by the Nazis had you lived in Germany prior to WWII.

I don't see it changing things. First off, it's all fine to list off all these ideologies on why war happens. However, they tend to be minor considerations with greed being closer to the main reason. I will use a very relevant example. You say the Nazi's were all about the white power. Yet their Ally was Japan. Why? Because it suited their desires at the time as they got ready to double cross Russia.

So the next thing is you are forgetting the US ended up in the war with the invasion of Japan. All of your explanations of why you think Germany and Confederates might have had closer relations, can all be used to express how Confederates and Japan would have even less closer relations. And the US vs Japan relations ended up in war.

Even the majority of Confederates ties in Europe are with Britain and France. I was trying to look up actual details from the Civil war, but didn't get too much. But suffice to say most Confederate economic trade, political thinking (ie democracy vs dictatorships) ethnic linkages, and historical ties were with Britain or France.

I'm not sure about the similarities with Germany thinking after listing out the differences (similarities with Western Europe). I suppose Confederates had slaves and the Germans had slave labour. The over all similar idea factor might work. But Germans slave labour was for the good of the state verses private ownership of slaves with confederates. And German slave labour was other Europeans. How would the confederates feel about them having other Europeans as slaves while having Asians as Allies?

Well, one major problem would have been Hitler's attitude towards Jews.

Believe it or not, Jews had pretty much thrived in the South, one reason, in the estimation of some people, being that southerners were so busy directing their energies towards discrimination against black people that they didn't waste much time on hating Jews. (Aside from isolated instances like the Leo Frank case.) So, a large number of southerners would have had a real problem with Nazi anti-semitism.

Another issue is that even the bigoted tend to have the attitude, "Well, they may be black, Jewish, or whatever, but they're OUR black, Jewish, or whatever, and we're not going to let some foreigner tell us what to do with them." This is one reason, for example, that many Italian Catholics protected Italian Jews even while Italy was allied with the Nazis.

And given how very protective the southerners were of their culture and traditions (that's why the Civil War occurred, after all), I can't see them cozying up to Hitler -- not least because of the not-particularly-enthusiastic Nazi attitude towards religion, which has always played such an important role in southern culture.

Incidentally, I might point out that the Secretary of State and Attorney General of the C.S.A, Judah P. Benjamin, was Jewish. Had the C.S.A. continued, he would have been a revered figure and might even have become the country's president eventually.

If the confederacy had won the war they most certainly would not have been allied with germany. The south did and still does hold on to high religious values and would see the acts hitler was doing as very wrong. Also, if they had won the war, they would probably had done lot of trading with britain who as you know was against germany. So protect their trading interests they probably would have sided with britain IF they were dragged into the conflict with an event such as pearl harbor.

Aode96: i think this is the first time we can agree on a civil war question. yay.

Ever thought maybe hilter didnt hate blacks and maybe black people always helping their enemy fight the ones that are trying to help the black race. From the time of colonization to the end WW1blacks in Germany had same rights and treated with equality not to mention German people hated the idea of slavery and were the majority of aboloshist.. in Jesse Owen autobiography he says that he went along with the story of Hitler snubbing him at the Olympics and Hitler smiled and gave him a wave when he won and that he was treated better there cuz there was no segregation laws towards blacks and he and the German he beat on their race became friends and pin pals and it was F.D.R that snubbed him in America where blacks where getting lynched and hung and pictures to prove it now show me one picture of a black in a German concentration/death camp.. And isn't it a lol suspicious that the Jew that Hitler hated were called and still called askeNAZI Jews?

A week is a long time in politics. You are talking about a period of sixty or seventy years, some of the most formative years in the history of the North American continent. You are also talking about a period in which Europe went through a world war and Russia had a Bolshevik revolution.

It is a bit like asking, 'If Caesar hadn't been assassinated, would Mussolini have invaded Abyssinia?'

Of course NOT!

Hitler was a socialist - which means a huge central government controlling everything. That is exactly what the Confederacy fought AGAINST

Hitler was not about "white" power. He was about the rule of one art of society (called "aryans") above everyone else. He wanted other "white" races destroyed (Poles, Russians) or enslaved (Ukrainians) or made into second class (French, Brits, Italians, etc). At the same time he favoured "non-white" races like Arabs and Turkmen (even allowing them to serve in the SS)

you forget also that the Confederacy banned the import of slaves. No slaves came to the US under a Confederate flag. To make things even funnier, free blacks served as volunteers in the Confederate army (there is proof of black soldiers who made some 6% of the troops who made the "Picketts Charge" at Gettysburg).

Blacks were also slave owners, BTW.

Slavery was on its way out by 1860. Simply because it was no longer economical. It was far cheaper to buy steam powered farm tools, and hire people to work on them (instead of risking a resentful slave wrecking an expensive machine). Many slaves who had skills (carpenter, ironsmith, etc) would be hired out and paid for their work- and allowed to keep some of the money. Nothing new in that- even in ancient Rome slaves were often freed after several years- it guaranteed good services and spared the cost of eldery health care...

So- IMO the "rebs" do not become pals with Adolf. Far from it. OTOH they might not have the industrial capacity to launch a huge army

Of course- it all assumes the "Reb"US has the same borders and the same policies as the 1940 US.

Which, IMO is unlikely

A few days ago I borrowed from Netflix a movie called "C.S.A." It was truly fascinating as it tried to describe what the USA would be like if, indeed, the South had won the war. If you're interested in that topic, try and obtain this movie, at least for one viewing. It was an eye-opener to me!