Are most Messianic Jews in the United States Ashkenazi or Sephardic?

Ashkenazi. Sephardic Jews came from Spain. Ashkenazi Jews came from several different areas in Europe. But a lot of time, trying to find out information is stimulating your mind and not your spirit. Please Read:

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכֲּנָזִים‎, pronounced [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנָז, Yehudei Ashkenaz, "the Jews of Ashkenaz"), are the Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north. Ashkenaz is the medieval Hebrew name for this region and thus for Germany. Thus, Ashkenazim or Ashkenazi Jews are literally "German Jews." Later, Jews from Western and Central Europe came to be called "Ashkenaz" because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany. (See Usage of the name for the term's etymology.) Ashkenaz is also a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10).

Many Ashkenazi Jews later migrated, largely eastward, forming communities in non German-speaking areas, including Hungary, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, and elsewhere between the 11th and 19th centuries. With them, they took and diversified Yiddish, a basically Germanic language with Hebrew influence (see Jewish language). It had developed in medieval times as the lingua franca among Ashkenazi Jews. The Jewish communities of three cities along the Rhine: Speyer, Worms and Mainz, created the SHUM league (SHUM after the first Hebrew letters of Spira, Warmatia and Magentza). The SHUM-cities are considered the cradle of the distinct Ashkenazi culture and liturgy.

Although in the 11th century, they comprised only 3 percent of the world's Jewish population, at their peak in 1931, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for 92 percent of the world's Jews. Today they make up approximately 80 percent of Jews worldwide.[5] Most Jewish communities with extended histories in Europe are Ashkenazim, with the exception of those associated with the Mediterranean region. The majority of the Jews who migrated from Europe to other continents in the past two centuries are Ashkenazim, Eastern Ashkenazim in particular. This is especially true in the United States, where most of the 5.3 million American Jewish population[6] is Ashkenazi, representing the world's single largest concentration of Ashkenazim.

Personally, although I'm a Messianic Jew I don't go to a Messianic Synagouge because I feel the body of Christ (Messiah) is already divided up into too many denominations already. Messianic Judaism to me is just another denomination.

Sephardic Pronunciation

Something like 80% of Jews in the U.S. are Ashkenazic, so presumably something like 80% of those who leave Judaism for Christianity (in any form, including 'Messianic') will likely be Ashkenazic as well. I suppose if they'd had a strong enough background in Judaism they'd notice the differences in pronunciation.

But the 'Messianics' tend to convert Jews who don't know all that much about Judaism, so it's quite possible that most of them don't know enough to notice. Likewise the vast majority of 'Messianic' congregants who have never been Jewish at all.

Boy does this not make sense. Early Christianity developed long before Judasim split culturally (not religiously) into Ashkenazki & Sephardic & Mizrahi by geographic area. It effects foods, habits & pronouncation but not much religiously at all by anyone's standards.

Messanics are Christians who are Judazing, ie adding a few Jewish rituals to their purely Christian theology,... which merely goes back to what NT claims some early, early Christians were doing... So a later split in Judaism has no relevance. Also NT has no relevance to Judaism whatsoever.

Furthermore, the reason Messanics added Jewish rituals according to their OWN conferences in the 1960'-70s was to more easily "look" Jewish in order to trick Jews into converting to Christianity so the 2nd coming could happen. Less than 2% of Messanics were ever Jewish according to their own records.

http://www.jew4judaism.org/

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/

http://www.jewfaq.org/

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On important correction:

Non-Orthodox Jews are Jews according to Judaism. Messanics are not in any way Jewish according to Judaism. The asker's comments are grounded in his disrespect for Jewish beliefs, not in any real facts.

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There is a special situation in Yahoo Answers. It appears there is 1 person who claims to be Messanic who takes time to create many, many accounts & to answer questions. The Jewish folks here have observed this. In my view it's not worth taking this person as representing Messanics & they certainly aren't Jewish, & it's just an artifact of internet-land. This question & many answers to it will reflect this problem.

No 'issue':

Sephardi Messianics are called CATHOLIC and go to MASS.

Ashkenazi Messianics are called PROTESTANT and go to CHURCH.

Have a nice day.

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As someone who is ACTUALLY Jewish, your question is CONTRIVED and NONSENSICAL (confusing מבטא or הגוי with נוסח) and it is very clear that you have NO clue as to what you are talking about. Neither will any Messianic have any clue as to what you are talking about, because there is no Sephardi or Ashkenazi tradition in XTIANITY.

Answer to Question:

Hebrew is Hebrew. Use the right סידור.

You're welcome.

Michael:

The Rambam is turning completely over because of this question.

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Uh-huh... Sure. Nonsense is pretending you are familiar with the geographic nuances of a language you obviously don't UNDERSTAND. Contrived is pretending this question is a sincere request for information and not another dig, as if any Jews even HALFWAY knowledgeable of tradition would be caught DEAD near a messianic church..... My comment to Michael is a direct response to what he wrote, and, by the way, לשון הקודש is NOT gibberish. And as for you referring to anyone as stupid: כי כקול הסירים תחת הסיר כן שחק הכסיל וגם־זה הבל

Note to reader:

The reason that no messianic even remotely addresses this question, is because there is NO מסורה in messianic churches---except for maybe how xmas carols are sung.

Why? Because MOST were NEVER Jewish; MOST were not BORN or RAISED Jewish, and the few who were---threw away their spiritual link to Abraham Isaac and Jacob to worship a psuedo-god/ imposter.

Glad to have cleared things up.

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Since ALL "messianic jews" EVERYWHERE in the world are not Jewish- they cannot belong to any Jewish group! "messianic jews' are CHRISTIANS, and merely members if a Christian missionary cult that uses lies, deception and misrepresentation to try and claim they are Jewish so they can evangelise to the uneducated in the Jewish community

For a full discussion of "messianic jews" and the fallacious arguments they use to try and claim they are Jewish see: http://messianicsexposed.com/2010/07/01/tactic-the...

I would post the article here but it is too long.

edit: I thank Troy for showing his hatred of Judaism so openly-no wonder he supports the Christian missionaries in "messianic judaism"! Then again, its not like its the first time he has displayed his hatred of Judaism- in the past he has made the comment that it is ok to hate Judaism!

Messianic Jews are Christians,they are NOT JEWS

Most of them are neither.. Most claiming to be "messianic jews" are not even Jews, and those who are, follow none of the traditions, since both traditions follow Torah, which tells Jews not to follow other religions..

I'd say sepharic purely on the basis that Sean Paul is a sephardi Jew and he seems pretty mainstream.

Kick my butt with a thousand TDs if I'm being an ignoramus.

PS - I know he's not American.

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EDIT: *Sigh*. What is it about Fundamentalists of any religion that make it impossible for them to admit it when they are wrong, instead of making silly excuses and attacking others? Jesus had things to say about confession, too...

First--I have never seen Allon resort to baseless personal attacks. Yes, he defends questions that misrepresent Jews and Judaism, as Jews have a right to do. He defends Jews against people who misrepresent themselves AS Jews so that they can convert them to Christianity misrepresented as Judaism, which is also morally permissible. He uses good evidence from the Tanakh when he does so, and he has never made an unprovoked attack. I saw nothing in his answer that was an attack, and you spewed that entire rant at him.

Second--You didn't attack Allon, you attacked an entire group of people. You attacked the Jews, and denigrated our religion, apparently on some assumption that it should only do things that meet your approval. Being Jewish, yes I do 'take umbrage' to that, and yes, I will point out that this reveals much about Messianic "Judaism" as a movement and those who support it, in as far as attitudes to actual Jews are concerned.

Third--how many actual Sephardis do you know? How many Sephardi Messianics do you know? I wouldn't doubt that there are many who have some Sephardic ancestry, are Catholic, and claim this makes them "Messianic". Many Messianics on here claim to be Catholic. Anyhow--any Messianic "Synagogue" is actually a Church, so the point is moot...that is something that I KNOW. And, piddling away with a 'verb' many languages don't even bother to use in order to pretend it changes an insult makes you look like a child.

Fourth--I am not blinded to the faults of my friends. I've confronted friends & contacts when I thought they had been off; I've been confronted by friends & contacts when I think that they are off. It's a typical Fundamentalist (of any religion) argument to assume that simply because someone pointed out a fault--it must be because something is wrong with *them.* Even if it were true--it's a piece of lint in my eye. You have a log of hate in yours. Jesus had things to say about that.

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Re your comment to Allon. It's always good to know how much people who support Messis respect actual Jews. Sooner or later, the Messianic Fundamentalist agenda always comes out---Jews have a disgusting religion, and they are too stupid to figure that out on their own...so we have to stoop to any ethical, moral, or civil low in order to save them from themselves.

I have never seen Allonyoav 'heap condemnation' on any member here---Jewish or otherwise. You, however, have nothing but contempt for the Jewish religion & culture that you somehow feel that you have the priveledge of redefining, and have spent substantial space chewing Allonyoav for the religion that he has chosen. I only mention this because you brought up glass houses, and since you (ostensably) worship a guy who had some choice words for hypocrites....

As for your words to Challah--you did, indeed, call her 'stupid'...you are simply backpedling now, since the 'edit' details on questions do not allow one to erase what they said, the way that Messis tend to write derogatory comments towards Jews, then erase them. If you are going to say something rude to the girl, at least have the guts to own up to it, instead of piddling about copulas like a kindergartener trying to avoid a time-out. Telling her that she shouldn't 'be stupid' implies a believe that she is stupid, and would continue to be so unless she decided to think like you do...and since, at least to adults, insults don't make arguments...At any rate, she is right when she says that most Messianic Jews are Prodestants who come from no Jewish heritage at all. Even Christian sources that are sympathetic to the movement would back her up.

Most 'Messianic Jews' aren't Ashkenazi or Sephardi, Mizrahi, Kaifeng, Beta Israeli, or any other term used to denotate a specific Jewish culture, for a very simple reason. Those terms are reserved to refer to people who have a particular history and culture. Askenazis come from the Jewish communities from Europe, and Sephardis are descended from those who were expelled from the Iberian penninsula thanks to people who held theologies similiar to yours & Messis. Someone who is not from that culture could not *will* him/herself into it more than I could will myself into Han culture.

Even Christian sources that are sympathetic to that disgusting movement, will concede that 80% of "Messianic Jews" have no connection to the Jewish people--no family, no heritage, no faith. There is even a J4J activist on record admitting that 80-90% of Messianic "Jews" are Christians who just wanted to feel "Jewish." People who have absolutely no Ashkenazi background are no more Ashkenazi than they are Bantu.