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If a thirteen year-girl wasn't a virgin when she was married, is it really righteous to kill her?
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says that if a woman cannot prove that she was a virgin on her wedding night, her husband and the town elders must take her to her father's doorstep and throw rocks at her until she dies. Given that most girls were married off at about thirteen at the time this book was written, and that these girls weren't allowed to travel in public without a male relative as an escort, does it really seem likely that many of the girls this law would apply to had any control over their non-virginal state? It seems to me that most of these girls would have been victims of rape and probably incest, and the person who should be stoned to death would be their father, uncle, or brother, yet no mention is made of punishing the father who (at the very least) allowed this to happen. So I have to wonder what would prompt an omniscient, loving creator to institute such a draconian policy, which condemns rape victims to an agonizing death but exempts the actual perpetrators of the crime. Any thoughts?
@Rocky: I wish you were right, but theocracy seems to be alive and well, and I'm not just talking about Iran.
@Joe P: I'm speaking about what I can find of the historical accounts of what life was like at that time, and of the average age of marriage at the time the Old Testament was written. Of course the verse itself doesn't list the age of the girl, because that would undoubtedly vary. But when one considers what was typical at the time and compares it to the death-sentence demanded, it seems hard to me to see these as the words of a loving creator.
@linuxander: that was awful nice of Jesus to forgive that woman, but how many little girls were murdered at his daddy's behest before he finally showed up?
@Paul: I was trying very hard to refer to the circumstances back then. If a woman isn't a virgin when she marries today, it's quite likely that she had some say in the matter. Not that I'm saying that this is grounds for stoning, but today women and girls have much more control over their own destiny than they did at the time Deuteronomy was written. This is my whole point: seen through 21ast century eyes, these laws may seem barbaric, but at least semi-justifiable, but when one considers the circumstances back then, these laws are even more horrendous.
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- RockyLv 41 decade agoFavorite Answer
God's immediate presence no longer dwells in an earthly tabernacle made with hands. That finished when ancient Israel was divided and captured by the Babylonians.
However the bible also says we are "the temple of the Holy Ghost" and "The wages of sin is death"
Edit:
Yes, theocracy is alive in well, but there is no evidence that God is leading them
Edit 2: Response about linuxander's answer
Jesus was trying to make a point that sin goes more deep than a simple act and that we have no right to judge others of sin because we all have sinned.
- 1 decade ago
Here are my thoughts on this: Yes, the Bible is a horrible book. BUT the actual Christians have grown up some and no longer actually stone little girls to death. Now, ordinarily, the prescence of such verses would be enough to have me right there with you, ripping Christians a new one. BUT there's a global religion of insane nutters who create theocracies where they actually DO horrible **** based on their delusional collection of fairy tales. And as long as they're doing this, I try to cut Xtians some slack. Sure, they're nuts. But they're not downright evil.
- Alan WLv 71 decade ago
You can't believe what you read in the bible as there are so many contradictions. Whoever came up with that law was not doing so out of compassion but out of a desire to control and take power over women. It still happens in some places today, thousands of years later and it is still barbaric.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
It also says love your enemy and hate your family.
What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)
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- linuxanderLv 41 decade ago
27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.-Matthew 5
3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,
4 they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?"
6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."
8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?"
11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."-John 8
- The Good FightLv 41 decade ago
See the other answers to the other 50 times this question is asked on yahoo answers within a 24 hour period.
- PaulLv 71 decade ago
Not any more it isn't but our circumstances are very different to the circumstances back then.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
There is absolutely nothing in that passage about 13 year old girls.
[Henry]
These laws relate to the seventh commandment, laying a restraint by laying a penalty upon those fleshly lusts which war against the soul.
I. If a man, lusting after another woman, to get rid of his wife slander her and falsely accuse her, as not having the virginity she pretended to when he married her, upon the disproof of his slander he must be punished, Deu_22:13-19. What the meaning of that evidence is by which the husband's accusation was to be proved false the learned are not agreed, nor is it at all necessary to enquire - those for whom this law was intended, no doubt, understood it: it is sufficient for us to know that this wicked husband, who had thus endeavoured to ruin the reputation of his own wife, was to be scourged, and fined, and bound out from ever divorcing the wife he had thus abused, Deu_22:18, Deu_22:19. Upon his dislike of her he might have divorced her if he had pleased, by the permission of the law (Deu_24:1), but then he must have given her her dowry: if therefore to save that, and to do her the greater mischief, he would thus destroy her good name, it was fit that he should be severely punished for it, and for ever after forfeit the permission to divorce her. Observe, 1. The nearer any are in relation to us the greater sin it is to belie them and blemish their reputation. It is spoken of as a crime of the highest nature to slander thy own mother's son (Psa_50:20), who is next to thyself, much more to slander thy own wife, or thy own husband, that is thyself: it is an ill bird indeed that defiles its own nest. 2. Chastity is honour as well as virtue, and that which gives occasion for the suspicion of it is as great a reproach and disgrace as any whatsoever: in this matter therefore, above any thing, we should be highly tender both of our own good name and that of others. 3. Parents must look upon themselves as concerned to vindicate the reputation of their children, for it is a branch of their own.
II. If the woman that was married as a virgin was not found to be one she was to be stoned to death at her father's door, Deu_22:20, Deu_22:21. If the uncleanness had been committed before she was betrothed it would not have been punished as a capital crime; but she must die for the abuse she put upon him whom she married, being conscious to herself of being defiled, while she made him believe her to be a chaste and modest woman. But some think that her uncleanness was punished with death only in case it was committed after she was betrothed, supposing there were few come to maturity but what were betrothed, though not yet married. Now, 1. This gave a powerful caution to young women to flee fornication, since, however concealed before, so as not to mar their marriage, it would very likely be discovered afterwards, to their perpetual infamy and utter ruin. 2. It is intimated to parents that they must by all means possible preserve their children's chastity, by giving them good advice and admonition, setting them good examples, keeping them from bad company, praying for them, and laying them under needful restraints, because, if the children committed lewdness, the parents must have the grief and shame of the execution at their own door. That phrase of folly wrought in Israel was used concerning this very crime in the case of Dinah, Gen_34:7. All sin is folly, uncleanness especially; but, above all, uncleanness in Israel, by profession a holy people.
Source(s): Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible - Anonymous1 decade ago
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