Friend bred dogs from same litter?

Wow..tell them how stupid they are for not only letting the dogs breed, but yes letting them be from the same litter...something may happen and it may not..but u need to educate your friend and make sure they never let it happen again...that is really a bad idea...so good luck and I hope the pups turn out ok.

So both pups are from the same b*tch and/or stud dog, just different litters? They're still siblings. Ask your friend how breeding his two dogs is any different from breeding a human brother and sister who are technically not of the same "litter" but are nonetheless siblings? Breeding dogs this closely related can not only create a dangerously homogenous gene pool, it can also introduce inbreeding-related health problems that can be DEBILITATING.

Your friend is an idiot. Please tell him I said so.

Inbreeding is never a good thing to do. There is a higher incidence of birth defects in such matings, and often much lower fertility.

There's nothing you can do but drive his and the litter with mom to the vet when they are a day old so the vet can check them over. Also, talk your d-a friend into spaying the female and neutering the male.

Inbreeding is bad, just like it's bad for humans. A species always has better health when the genetic pool is larger, which is why mutts usually live longer than pure bred dogs. Lot's of aggression issues can arise in this new litter, along with lots of physical issues such as blindness, deafness, and other things.

So the parents are siblings and not litter-mates.

Really there is nothing you can do now except to talk your friend into getting his dogs altered ASAP!

This is called linebreeding (aka inbreeding). It is used in some of the top breeders in the world. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

the best thing to do is to make sure these puppies are tested by the vets

check the hips & elbows

hearing

eyesight

joints

etc

you need to check the body over by a vet to see if there are any signs of deformity

i would advise your friends to get the parents DE SEXED

right after birth.. .. dont risk it getting pregnant again

WHAT??? Do me a favor and ask him if he is retarded. Because that was the 1st thought that popped into my head when i read this. Also ask him if he would have sex with his older or younger sister because that's what he just did with his dogs. Seem kinda disgusting when you think of it that way huh? SMDH all so he can make a profit!

I wonder how much you ACTUALLY know about breeding AND about the ancestry of the dog & bit.ch involved?

Like almost all Yanks, you certainly don't know when to use the verb "to breed from" vs "to mate". Your friend did NOT _breed_ his dog & bit.ch, he BOUGHT them from their _breeder_. And then he allowed them to _mate_. Probably before either pooch had passed everything in http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_GSD_Source/... and almost certainly before the bit.ch is 2 years old.

But with only 2 weeks left to whelping it is too late for HIM to do anything about it, other than cull the litter back to a maximum of 5 if she is at least 2 years old, fewer if she is younger.

There are 2 versions of culling. One is killing the discards (please - NOT by slow drowning; get him to discuss it with his vet) within 24 hours. One is putting them on a foster-mother (if one is available) as soon as they have all had a suck at their mother's colostrum ("first milk", which contains important antibodies to protect the whelps from viruses) and later selling them without registration but with an enforceable contract to neuter when 11-15 months old.

It is common in your country for people who sell puppies to own several pooches. Many of those people are idiots who plan their matings by the Coefficient of Inbreeding, or just use whatever is on their property or next door, instead of selecting for matching-&-compensatory phenotypes.

But even so, a big kennel can have MANY lines in operation. Even in my tiny kennel, which rarely had more than 4 adults, I was able to mate a dog of my breeding to a bit.ch of my breeding and have a litter with no common ancestors inside 5 generations.

In the hands of intelligent breeders, incest-breeding is the best way to test for unwanted recessives in one's line, if there are no DNA tests for them. In 1974 a young pup mated his dam on her 3rd day - the 6 pups were all healthy and sound (one walked 100s of miles on a rarely-used route around my country's coastline), and the only flaw revealed was a slight tendency to "French". Which encouraged us to mate the stud to his older maternal-half-sister in 1975, producing another 6 pups, one being a VERY good winning dog, and we kept a bit.ch that we bred from as our main line. My current Offa has that bit.ch (Nina) behind her twice, at P7 and P6, putting her own double-granddam (Rella) at 9,9:8,8.

BTW, if you study history you will find that incest breeding was rather widely-practised among upper-class humans, with the Ptolyemies, Macedonian rulers of Egypt, being the best known. Britain's Windsors haven't indulged in incest-breeding, but they have certainly indulged in heavy line-breeding. Continued incest breeding does gradually reduce fertility and the capability of the immune system, but it doesn't produce "freaks" or "imbeciles" unless both parents carry damaging genes.

However, WE in Y!A don't know whether your friend is more intelligent than a typical ignorant BYBer. And WE don't know whether his dog & bit.ch are full-siblings or have only their dam in common or are from quite widely separated ancestry, all we KNOW is that they came from the same breeder.

• Tell your friend to join some of the 400+ YahooGroups dedicated to various aspects of living with them. Each group's Home page tells you which aspects they like to discuss, and how active they are. Unlike Y!A, they are set up so that you can have an ongoing discussion with follow-up questions for clarification. Most allow you to include photos in your messages.

Les P, owner of GSD_Friendly: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSD_Friendly

"In GSDs" as of 1967