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Why do Atheists require miracles to be "scientifically verified" before proven true? Does this even make sense?

Why do Atheists require miracles to be "scientifically verified" before being proved true? How does this make sense, when a miracle is an occurrence "out of the ordinary" and goes against the probabilities and laws of nature?

For something to be "scientifically verified", it must be repeatable under laboratory conditions. When you ask for a miracle (an event out of the ordinary) to be "scientifically verified" (repeatable outcomes), aren't you nullifying the very definition of what a miracle actually is?

Update:

At Michele: I'm assuming you're referring to the bleeding statues of the Virgin Mary. Well, the Vatican does not "scientifically verify" them in the sense that Atheists use it (which is for an event to be repeatable).

Rather, the Vatican uses science to gather the authenticity of the now-alleged blood through checking it's chemical composition. So it isn't intending for it to be "repeated", it just ensures that it is authentic and can be denoted as "worthy of belief" for Catholics.

Update 2:

At Michelle: Yes, they do indeed do that, usually by checking the blood type of the person making the claim.

Not only that, but they also take a holistic approach by examining the psychological state of the person making the claim, just to see how trustworthy he/she is.

There is a lot of rigour in the Vatican's investigations for "miracles".

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    What do you know of religion and science? YOU ARE A MARTIAN!

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Miracles do not exist. There is an explanation for everything. Though our technology may not be advanced enough at the moment to test such out-of-the-ordinary phenomenon under laboratory conditions, there is a strong probability that future generations will not only have figured out the solution to said problem, and how to test said problem under laboratory conditions, they may even be laughing at our ignorance. We may think we are advanced, we may think we know everything, but so did previous generations that existed thousands upon thousands of years ago. However, we now know the world is not flat, the earth is not the center of the universe, the sun is not a god, diseases are not caused by demons, among many other things, thanks to developments in technology of course.

    Source(s): In the past, many people believed that weather, diseases, childbirth, and hallucinations were miracles. Now we know that these are not miracles, but just natural phenomena. The out-of-the-ordinary miracle of today will most likely be the oh-so-ordinary natural event of tomorrow, depending on the level of advancement of future technology.
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    By "scientifically verified", we mean:

    Valid evidence that it happened.

    Valid evidence that what happened is actually what people claim happened

    Valid evidence that what happened could not have happened via any known natural process

    Valid evidence that what happened was not the result of deliberate deceit

    edit: the Vatican has only declared one weeping statue to be "genuine"--Our Lady of Akita, in Japan. There was NO scientific study of the statue at all--it was all done purely on the supposed eyewitness testimony of the bishop. Every single weeping or bleeding statue that has undergone real scientific study has been rejected as fake.

  • Archer
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    To become Canonized the church requires verification of a miracle occurring within a persons life time.

    Miracles are mans interpretation or misinterpretation of events they can/do not explain.

    Out of the ordinary does not a "miracle" make.

    Why do "christians" rationalize their lack of understanding by making events miracles? Remember it is man making these distinctions not "god".

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  • 1 decade ago

    There's no other way to prove it for what it is.

    You can't just pour ketchup on a statue and tell someone it's bleeding. You can't expect the entire world to fall to the ground and worship a pastry because it has some vague resemblance to a face.

    "Miracles" are only miracles to those who want to believe in them. For the rest of us, there's a logical explanation waiting to be found.

    edit: they have yet to prove that it's blood. It's not a miracle.

    Even if it does turn out that it's blood, they would further have to prove that it's coming from the statue and not some other source.

  • 1 decade ago

    Most atheist like myself isn't demanding miracles to be proven scientifically since by definition, miracles cannot be proven.

    We are simply saying that it is unreasonable for any being to demand us to believe in sometime that cannot be explained or proven. Similarly, a lot of us find it illogical for people to accept 'God did it!' as an answer without questioning it.

  • 1 decade ago

    Miracles by definition are of the supernatural, i.e. outside of the natural realm. Therefore they do not exist in reality.

    Those things that are commonly and mistakenly seen as miracles are simply events for which we have no explanation as yet. Many alleged miracles have already been shown to have natural explanations.

  • 1 decade ago

    There is one miracle that atheists don't ask to be scientifically verified. That is their belief in a (magical) NATURAL first cause of the universe, which defies the Law of Cause and effect and all other natural laws.

    So they are willing to believe in the biggest miracle ever, without question or evidence, but they demand mountains of evidence for any relatively minor, miraculous event.

    Incredible!

  • Enigma
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    When a person is clinically (by Scientific methods) confirmed to be an amputee, and if a divine being could grow his limbs back, then it could be proven that it was indeed a miracle as it is impossible to grow back a limb naturally.

    When a dead person is clinically proven to be dead (to prevent scams and self-testimony) and if after few days of being dead, he could be miraculously brought back to life by some divine force, that would be considered "Scientifically verified".

  • 1 decade ago

    Yes, because if it's " 'scientifically verified' (repeatable outcomes)", then it is explainable and thus not a miracle.

  • 1 decade ago

    i guess it depends on your definition of a miracle. everyday events could be miracles, like the birth of a child or the birth of a star in the sky. take prayer for example, if i pray to my cat and you pray to any god of your choosing we will both get what we pray for in the expected amount of time... example: we both pray for the mailman to deliver some mail or we pray to win the lottery, in either case we cant expect these events to happen sooner just because we pray for it. no miracles have ever happened and if you can give an example of one id love to hear about it.

    Source(s): general observation
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