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Should mexico be more concerned about their own illegal aliens instead of worry about our laws being enforced?

Mexico counts how many illegals here who end up murdered, why is there not more concern about the illegal aliens being murdered in their country?

Should mexico even be allowed to speak about our laws when they treat their own illegals like this?

Why can mexico ""to discourage undocumented migration" and inform migrants of their rights." but the U.S. is not allowed to by their standards? Is this more hypocritical thinking by mexico?

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72 dead illegal immigrants found in Mexico tip of iceberg

Wednesday, September 1, 2010

Paula Cruz wept quietly at the foreign ministry office in El Salvador's capital after reporting that her son was missing _ apparently kidnapped _ in Mexico.

"I got a phone call asking me to send $2,500 to ransom him," the 77-year-old mother said, clutching the last letter she received from her 43-year-old son. "I didn't have the money. I don't know if he is alive or dead."

Cruz fears her son may be one the 72 migrants found shot to death in northern Mexico last week. She is one of hundreds of people who streamed to government offices in Central America after news of the massacre spread, searching for news of relatives who went missing after setting out through Mexico hoping to reach the United States.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, family members' descriptions did not match the bullet-ridden bodies found in heaps at a ranch in the state of Tamaulipas. Instead, rights workers say, the missing migrants may be part of a huge toll of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of migrants killed by organized crime gangs and whose bodies may have been hacked up, dissolved in acid or buried in unmarked paupers graves.

Update:

The true number of undocumented migrants killed in Mexico in recent years may never be known, but they would almost certainly dwarf the number discovered last week. Mexico's National Human Rights Commission said there were witness accounts of 198 mass kidnappings involving 9,758 migrants in a six month-period in 2009.

Just Tuesday, police in the Mexican resort of Cancun rescued six Cuban migrants who had been captured by a gang and were being held prisoner in a house near the city's airport, said Quintana Roo state police director Enrique Alberto Sanmiguel. He said the captors were demanding $8,000 to $10,000 from the Cubans' families in the United States.

Activists say drug cartels like Mexico's Zetas _ the gang blamed in the Tamaulipas massacre _ frequently kill one or two from each group to scare the rest into asking relatives to meet ransom demands.

Almost 200 relatives showed up at the offices of the Honduras' foreign ministry in Tegucigalpa saying their loved ones had

Update 2:

. So far only 21 bodies found at the massacre site have been identified as Hondurans; 19 are of other nationalities, and 32 are unidentified.

In Guatemala, relatives have called the country's foreign ministry to report about 30 missing migrants since the massacre.

El Salvador's foreign ministry says at least 91 families have shown up in the capital, and at Salvadoran embassies and consulates in the United States, to report missing relatives since the massacre. The missing migrants had set out to cross Mexico months ago _ in some cases, years ago.

Tapachula officials were not immediately available to comment. But the spokesman for Arriaga, another Chiapas railway town, Alfredo Ovilla, said there may be as many as 50 to 100 migrants in graves there after violence in earlier years targeted those riding trains. He said increased police and migrant-protection patrols had reduced the violence.

On Tuesday, Mexico announced the outlines of a plan to reduce violence against migr

Update 3:

, by helping build more shelters, keeping a closer watch on railway lines on which migrants travel, and using information campaigns "to discourage undocumented migration" and inform migrants of their rights.

Mexico's Foreign Relations Department could not provide figures on the number of foreign migrants reported missing or dead in the country, though it keeps a careful accounting of Mexican migrants found dead in the southwestern United States _ 369 in 2009.

Many of the Central American migrants' home countries also don't keep track of those missing in Mexico.

Andrea Furlan, a spokeswoman for Guatemala's foreign ministry, said reports come in of migrants being tortured or raped or having disappeared, but seldom with the detail that would allow authorities to take action.

"People are not in the habit of filing crime reports," Furlan said.

Xicotencatl said there is no firm estimate of the number of migrants killed in Mexico and "we will probably never have it," given

Update 4:

Still, some good might come of the massacre. Some Central American countries have set up special offices or hot lines for families report disappearances and might keep them working even after the last of the massacre victims are identified.

"We in the support network and civic groups really lament this situation very much," Xicotencatl said of the mass killing, "but it may have been just the push people needed to begin to see what is really happening."

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Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson contributed to this report from Mexico City.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/world/article_71de0374...

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  • Yakuza
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago
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    Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

    The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," violate Mexican law, are not "physically or mentally healthy" or lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.

    "This sounds like the kind of law that a rational nation would have to protect itself against illegal immigrants that would stop and punish the very people who are violating the law," said Rep. Steve King of Iowa, ranking Republican on the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, citizenship, refugees, border security and international law.

    "Why would Mr. Calderon have any objections to an Arizona law that is less draconian than his own, one he has pledged to enforce?" Mr. King said.

    It has been estimated that there are around 450,000 illegals in Arizona alone and it is understandable that the state had to do something to bring this drain on their services to a halt. Montana has a little over 900,000 residents so that would be like looking around you and every other person you see being here illegally. Considering the skyrocketing crime and the drug gang violence border towns are experiencing I think Arizona is on the right track.

    The federal government has ignored my states pleas for years and we were finally pushed into a corner where something had to be done. Seper went on to report that of the estimated one-million illegals that enter the United States each year over half of them come through Arizona.

    Why has our federal government been ignoring this problem which has been escalating for decades? Could it be that our representatives from both political parties are more concerned with their own reelection than they are in the economic welfare of our country?

    Now 16 Mexican Nationals are suing Arizona Rancher Roger Barnett who they claim violated their civil rights by holding them at gunpoint when he caught them trespassing (excuse me they were illegally trespassing on posted land) on his land as they were illegally making their way into the United States through his private property. The immigrants are represented by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) Of course they are,why am I not surprised

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16...

    Perhaps if we just did what Mexico does"beat shoot,rob,rape,imprison,kill illegal aliens.Then Mexico would wake up to the REAL problems on the border.Illegal aliens are big business to Mexico.The remittances sent back to Mexico by illegal aliens from the US makes up the third largest Gross national Product for Mexico.They have a $45+billion reason why they wont enforce and stop illegal aliens before they cross our border.Instead they encourage this without a thought to the damage this brings to the USA.As long as something benefits Mexicans or the Mexican government they simply think its owed to them through some false sense of entitlement.

    This bastardization of laws and this travesty of justice must end.

  • Bill
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Yes, mexico should be more concerned about their own illegal aliens instead of lecturing the USA about our laws being enforced.

    The truth is that Mexican drug merchants are even more deadly than al-Qaida. They have more firepower and more money and are just as willing to kill civilians as are the homicidal jihadists. Yet, we Americans know little about the chaotic situation south of the border.

    The reason is that the drug cartels don't seem to threaten us directly. But, of course, they do. Illegal narcotics from Mexico wind up in almost every community in the United States. The FBI estimates that about 70 percent of crimes from coast to coast are drug-fueled.

    he latest atrocity in the Mexican drug war was the discovery of 72 bodies on a ranch 100 miles south of Texas. The dead -- 58 men and 14 women -- were migrants from South and Central America. The lone survivor of the massacre says that cartel gunmen shot the unarmed folks because they resisted an extortion attempt.

    The reliably anti-American New York Times partially blamed the mass killings on the USA: "Mexico's drug cartels are nourished from outside, by American cash, heavy weapons and addiction; the northward pull of immigrants is fueled by our demand for low-wage labor."

    I had to read that editorial three times to believe it. Here we have the Times, which opposes putting the National Guard on the border, the tough anti-alien law in Arizona and most other measures that might secure the border, complaining about the illegal gun and drug traffic. Can you believe this? Hey, if the United States would send ten thousand National Guardspeople to help the border patrol, drugs and guns would not be able to cross the border so easily. Comprende?

    This country has the power to stop the smuggling of human beings and drugs across the southern border. We could do that. But, for political reasons, we don't. Meanwhile, the drug cartels kill at will and create terror on a scale not seen anywhere else on earth at this time. o_O

  • 1 decade ago

    Mexico is skillful at employing their "Do as I say, Not as I do." status throughout the world.

    Mexico is protecting all their economic interests. That includes dictating immigration policy to US lawmakers. They are arrogant enough to succeed and make the US bend to their whims. Without the illegals' monetary funds sent home by the billion$ each year, Mexico could not survive. This is a country who has built its economy via illegal gains whether it supplies half the world with cocaine and marijuana or just sends 4 million each year illegally to the US.

    Until the US powers that be wake up and smell the hipocrisy Mexico is, illegals will continue to be a problem for Americans who's American Dream has been taken away by non-Americans.

  • 5 years ago

    The problem is not just using welfare. The problem is that they are coming here ILLEGALLY, therefore they are not "law abiding." I have no problem with people coming here but it has to be in an organized fashion. Welfare is paid for by people that live legally in America and work (taxes). The idea is that if you fall on hard times then the Welfare system is there to make sure children especially are not impoverished. NO ONE should be abusing the system period. If people are using it and never paying into it (illegally using it), the system will break and then it won't be there for anyone. You should never trust any government to fully take care of u anyway. The more power any one gives them the more you are at their disposal.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    To be fair, I have not researched the real internal criminal problems in Mexico in detail. But what I have been reading on Mexico is not good. They have a very broken social and economic structure that it is not funny. It is basically a third world country.

    Mexico should be more concerned about their own illegal aliens instead of worrying about our laws being enforced? Our immigration laws being enforced is not their concern. And if Mexico does not like us enforcing our laws then that is just too bad. It is not their country!

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    It really is a show of who runs what in Mexico. Calderon wants to play both sides of the fence. On one hand, he says he is winning the war with the Cartels, and then on the other, he is stating his concerns with our laws and their legitimacy about illegals coming over the border. It's none of his business.

    His political base runs hand in hand with the Obama base. A base of lies. He isn't winning anything on the war with the Cartels. He is, however, got a buddy in our White House who wants to back him when speaking out against our laws. Also, he wants to continue getting funds from America to supposedly fight the Cartels. It would make us all sick if we were to find out where the money has gone.

    Obama, the enemy of the United States, continues to spread are wealth. He is doing what all of our enemies have tried to do. This includes Osama Bin Laden who tried to do what Obama has done without success. Now we are dealing with this Imam from the N.Y. Mosque deal. Our tax dollars are again hard at work destroying America.

  • Drug cartels run the country

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    They should be more concerned about their own problems, and we shouldn't even entertain their "concern" about our laws. I wish someone had the balls to tell them to get their own affairs together before they try telling us how to run ours.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    repeat what the media wants you to believe,

    be a good sheep, i mean American

  • 1 decade ago

    Mexico's crackdown on organized crime is working, Calderon says

    In his state of the nation report, President Felipe Calderon notes the arrests or killings of drug kingpins and efforts to clean up police. He also touts job gains and other economic improvements.

    Reporting from Mexico City — Fresh off this week's capture of a notorious drug lord, Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared Wednesday that his sustained assault on organized crime and efforts to clean up the police were paying off.

    In the president's annual state of the nation report, delivered in writing to Congress, Calderon cited a string of drug kingpins arrested or killed during the last year as evidence of success in his nearly 4-year-old offensive against the cartels.

    Although not mentioned specifically in the president's report, the arrest Monday of Edgar Valdez Villarreal, an accused trafficker and hit man known as " Barbie," was another big one.

    The annual report, or informe, depicts a nation rebounding from a series of hard knocks in 2009, including an economic tailspin and the H1N1 flu crisis that crimped tourism and commerce. Calderon touted gains in employment and healthcare and longer-term public works improvements, such as highway construction.

    The report, posted on the Internet, leads with a section on security issues in Mexico, where cartel feuding has been mainly responsible for more than 28,000 drug-related deaths since Calderon took office in December 2006.

    Calderon said his administration had sought to clean up Mexican police, long known for rampant graft, and address poverty and other social factors that are believed to contribute to violence in hot spots such as Ciudad Juarez. Strict new standards to root out corruption and modernize police have led to the firings this year of about 3,200 federal officers for poor performance, while around 1,500 others failed periodic screening tests or face criminal charges.

    The government's crackdown "has achieved significant results as far as breaking up the leadership, financial, logistical and operational structures of organized crime," the report says.

    The government has arrested 34,515 people suspected of drug trafficking during the last 12 months and seized more than 34,000 weapons, the report says. It says authorities seized the equivalent of $2.5 billion in drugs — a figure that, by most estimates, represents a fraction of the illegal narcotics trade involving Mexican groups.

    The informe lists more than two dozen top-ranking or local drug bosses taken down since last September. The most significant were kingpins Arturo Beltran Leyva and Ignacio "Nacho" Coronel, both killed by Mexican troops.

    But growing cartel firepower and runaway violence in a number of regions have left many residents feeling besieged by criminal groups that kill rivals and politicians, kidnap or extort money from business owners and block streets as a public expression of their muscle.

    Polls have shown majority support for Calderon's crackdown on organized crime, but also skepticism about the government's ability to prevail.

    Calderon's conservative National Action Party has been battered in elections during the last two years and appears at risk of losing the presidency in 2012 to the former governing Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI.

    In a new poll by the Demotecnia firm, a majority of respondents said Mexico was worse off than before Calderon took office. More than two-thirds agreed with the statement that, in general, things were slipping from his control.

    Despite worries about rising violence, jobs and the economy are cited in most polls as the issues that most worry Mexicans.

    Calderon cited economic improvements during the last year, saying more than 500,000 jobs had been created this year.

    The economy is projected to grow by up to 4.5%, a rosier picture than 2009, when it shrank by 6.5%. But recovery will hinge on the health of the U.S. economy because most Mexican exports are destined for the United States.

    "After facing a global economic recession comparable to that experienced in the early 20th century, in 2010 the Mexican economy returned to the path of growth," Calderon said.

    Interior Secretary Jose Francisco Blake Mora delivered the 4-inch-thick report to Congress as it opened its autumn session. This is the third straight year Calderon has provided the informe in written form without going to Congress.

    Mexican presidents traditionally made a speech to Congress at its Sept. 1 opening. But the law was changed to allow a written report after opposition lawmakers prevented Calderon and his predecessor, Vicente Fox, from delivering an address in person.

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