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John T
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John T asked in SportsOutdoor RecreationHunting · 1 decade ago

Anyone hear of recent firearm's confiscations in California?

My friend owns a gun shop and tomorrow he is processing the transfer of a man's firearms to his son. It seems the DOJ (don't know if it's California DOJ or federal) raided his house at 2am this morning and confiscated his firearms because he had suffered from stress after his service in Vietnam. They are going to allow him to transfer them to his son, but the DOJ is delivering them to the shop at 11am tomorrow. I'm going to help with the paperwork so I'll find out more particulars tomorrow. But my question tonight is has anyone else heard of this happening?

Update:

This is from someone directly involved in this situation. The confiscation came at 9pm, not 2am--the firearms are in the hands of the California DOJ. In 2002 the man sought treatment at VA for an undiagnosed problem--symptoms included signs of stress. Increased stress often accompanies the onset of diabetes--the eventual diagnosis. There has been no depression, psychosis or any mental health issues after the diabetes was controlled. So, it wasn't PTSD, rather a common temporary complication of the onset of diabetes. It was done under the provisions of HR 2640--sometimes called the Veterans Disarmament Act--signed by President Bush just before he left office. Google it for more information.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    So basically a vet suffering from PTSD had his guns confiscated? Actually yes. I have heard about a similar case a couple weeks back. I don't remember where I saw it. But I will try and find the article or at least a blog post. But I also don't know the specifics but I do know a lawsuit came about this.

    Edit: Found it: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-fort-smith/i... the link might hiccup, this site is so chock full of flash ads it might make your computer stop. I do not know the circumstances of what happened with your story.

    Edit: I'm pretty sure some gun bloggers and gun rights organsations would like to know baout this.

  • 1 decade ago

    John:

    I live in California as well. Haven't heard anything about any similar issues like you describe. At least none without clear rationale. In reality --- it seems apparent that there is much more to this story.

    It does not seem rational that the DOJ just realized this week that this man has PTSD --- 40 years later. Obviously something seroius happened in the last few weeks, that we are not aware of.

    My wife works in the legal field --- Criminal Defense. This issue that you describe happens often --- and for good reason. Sometimes someone threatens / attempts to commit suicide. Guns get confiscated. Sometimes someone takes too many pills to end it all --- Guns get confiscated. Sometimes someone threatens the wife --- restraining orders, and guns get confiscated.

    Unfortunately, not everyone is mentally stable. Many people have some form of mental issues --- sometimes temporary, sometimes more permanent. Maybe it is money problems --- the house is being foreclosed on, money is short, etc. Sometimes it is personal issues ---- three people involved in a marriage. Some people can't handle the stress well, and start doing strange things. I am sure there is more to this story, and it may actually be a good thing.

    BTW --- if you are visting a hospital, or a "psychiatrist", or talking with any "mental health" personel, and mention that you have had "thoughts" of harming yourself (suicide, etc.) --- even from years ago --- they will come looking for your guns. Be extremely careful what you say in any hospital --- especially a Government hospital.

    Everytime there is someone stressed, and grabs a loaded gun --- it winds up on the nightly news, and it gives gun owners a bad name. And then it gives Liberal politicians more ammunition to usurp the 2nd Amendment rights of competent gun owners. Several times the past 2 months --- front page news --- a guy shoots the wife and kids, and the wifes boyfriend, etc. Not good press for gun owners. And more fodder for the anti-gun Liberal politicians.

    It may actually be gracious of the DOJ to allow the fellow to transfer ownership to his son. This way, he may still have access to the guns if his son thinks he is mentally OK to use them. This may be a really good thing --- since he doesn't actually "lose" his guns, just his immediate access to them, while his issues get resolved.

    BTW --- my daughter-in-law took a few too many pills about a year ago. Supposedly attempting suicide -- they were having some marital problems. They put a 5150 Hold on her --- attempting to commit suicide, or do harm to herself. Because of that --- she is not allowed to own a gun for 10 years. This could be something similar with your friend.

    This really does not sound like a "gun rights" issue. It sounds like there is more of a legal "mental stability" issue, and the DOJ is kind enough to allow the kid to take possession of the firearms instead of confiscating them.

    You may want to provide updates tomorrow after you find out more. Right now, we can only hypothecate what really is happening.

    EDIT:

    This is the link I found that seems to boil the HR 2640 Bill down to laymans language:

    http://gunowners.org/ne0701.htm

    Documents seems to suggest that it addresses: 1) People with even a minimal "suicide risk", 2) Kids with ADHD on Ritilan, 3) Seniors diagnosed with Alzheimers, 4) Veterans with PTSD, or 5) People not capable of handling their affairs.

  • 1 decade ago

    This has been going on for two years.

    When I visit the Vetrans office - they now ask if you guns at home, feel depressed, and do you feel safe at home. And if you say 'yes' to the depression or the safety questions- they contact the authorities if you said yes to the guns. Not the local police - the feds. If you said 'no' to firearms - they do a check in the NFA data base, or, search to see if you have received any firearms through a court order they can find that proves you have guns in the house (divorce, inheritance) - then they do a 'no knock' visit to your house at 2am and grab all the guns they can find.

    Two years this has been going on around the country. And those of you who never heard of this - you need to pull your head out of the sand and get networked with better informed folks. Otherwise it will be your home they hit at 2am when you are snoozing.

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    1 decade ago

    Bet he has to pay the background check BS like my neighbor did after getting his trigger job done. Shop told him he had to get it run, then wait the 10 days to get his own gun back.

    Good ha ha, I guess. I hate this place.

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