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Great Pyrenees won't stop barking.?
Note: if you are firmly opposed to shock collars, please don't bother to answer this.
We have a newly adopted Great Pyr who won't stop barking. The neighbors are upset and have already called the police twice. She starts obedience training in two weeks but we need to try to address the problem sooner. A citronella collar failed miserably. We have other pets, so an ultrasonic collar is out of the question. That leaves a shock collar. My question is, she doesn't just bark... she whines incessantly. Will an anti-bark shock collar work for that as well? If not, is there a hybrid shock collar (for training AND anti-bark) than includes a remote that we can use when she whines too much?
Thanks to everyone except Aduial for good advice!
She's just as likely to bark inside as outside, and mostly during the day. She gets plenty of exercise & stimulation. Two triggers seem to be 1) anytime my roomie and/or I leave, she freaks. And 2) she's only partly crate trained -- she barks and whines for a while when she's crated, then relaxes. (Note that she's rarely alone -- somebody is home with her app. 20 hours a day.)
19 Answers
- AduialLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
I will answer it anyway. Shock collars are the lazy way out for clueless owners. If your dog is barking you need to up her exercise. Double it at least and make sure she has enough mental stimulation so she's not bored. Give her stuffed and frozen kongs. Also, training doesn't have to wait for your obedience class. It should start now. When she is not barking praise and reward. When she is barking, give her a no and leave the room.
- 1 decade ago
She's a working breed and her job is to bark. She views it as her duty to her family. She is deterring a threat (as she sees it). It is your job to reward her for doing what you -do- want. I have a Great Pyrenees, and this is what worked for me. Work on her crate training. As someone else said, feed her in her crate. Have her sleep in her crate. When you take her out of her crate, praise, play and exercise. When she barks at something -- do not punish her! Tell her that you acknowledge the threat and distract her after about 10 seconds of barking. Her barking episodes will get shorter and shorter. Teach her the quiet command by saying quiet before doing this. Make sure the distraction is 10x the joy she gets from barking (a nice bone, a play/training session, etc) because remember she was BRED to bark. I would recommend AGAINST punishing a Pyr for barking (or ever using a shock collar on a Pyr for this reason), because then they are experiencing pain while they are barking at an "intruder" so that will increase the drive to remove the intruder from their property, and can EASILY tip into full on aggression. They don't understand that the shock is for barking. They just think that they should bark harder to make the threat go away since it has proven itself to be dangerous. If someone is home almost all the time, consistent training should minimize this problem in no time.
- DeeDawgLv 61 decade ago
i agree that in order to save your dog from having to be returned to the shelter, you may have to resort to an electronic collar to stop her barking.
i have not personally seen a bark collar which is also a remote e-collar, but the whining may well subside with the barking as she settles in a bit more.
i agree that you should up the exercise, even if you exercise her a lot, make it more- so she's tired once you crate her, and always feed her in her crate so that she feels it is a good place to be. leave her with a large raw knuckle bone or flavored nylabones when you go away, so she'll have something interesting to do, instead of just waiting for you.
also, practice coming and going.
pretend you are leaving. don't say bye. don't look at her. just put her in her crate with a cookie and walk out.
as soon as she's quiet, come back in. ignore her for a few minutes. if she's still quiet, give her a cookie. ignore her some more. leave again. repeat, repeat, repeat!!
a VERY important thing with dogs that whine when you leave- when you leave and come home, never make a big deal of it. never greet her until you've been home for a few minutes and she's been quiet.
she will learn that the quieter she is, the quicker you will take her out and play with her.
combining all these techniques with an electronic collar should help you out.
- landi_louLv 41 decade ago
We have a Pyrenees as well and yes he does bark. They are notorious night barkers. Barking is unfortunately a breed characteristic as it's done in the field to keep predators away from the flock. Does she bark just at night?
Ours has problems with night barking. We keep him indoors at night which solves most of the problem. Occasionally he becomes hyper sensitive to the house creaking noises and will bark even indoors. We usually put a fan downstairs to cover the creaking noises.
The shock collars from what I've heard of other Pyr owners and breeders aren't effective. The excessive hair or "mane" on the Pyr's throat protects it from bear and wolf bites so it might not be as effective. Although I've never tried them myself. You could give it a shot if she doesn't have as much coat.
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- 1 decade ago
Umm.. it's a Great Pyrenees, it's what they do. They are a guardian breed bred to protect livestock, they bark to keep predators away. If you live in town/city and the neighbours are that mad about the barking you should either keep her in the house or re-home her.
There are barking collars that work on sound and vibration together, the other kinds can get falsely set off.
Source(s): Owner to 2 Great Pyrenees mixes and have tried many different kinds of barking devises that have failed, so I just keep my dogs in the house. - sebscolaLv 41 decade ago
Doe she bark mostly at night? Pyr's are nocturnal watchdogs which means they will be more alert at night and bark. They need a lot of exercise. Shock collars will work for some dogs but I know someone that tried them on their pitbulls and due to the pits HIGH pain tolerance they wore out the batteries so they are not an end all solution. She may need more exercise and as a working breed she will need to be kept engaged in an activity which forces her to use her mind. Working dogs are always given up on when they are just doing what they were bred to do. If you live in an apartment in the city then your options are limited; these dogs need land to patrol. Good luck. Sometimes a dog just likes to hear the sound of their own voice. A water pistol may work but my dog loves it and thinks its a game.
Source(s): Mastiff owner going on 4 years. Dog geek - Nedra ELv 71 decade ago
I am firmly opposed to shock collars and you don't get to dictate who answers your question.
You need to call PetSafe in Knoxville, TN to discuss this with them, as I believe they deal with your kind of products.
You didn't say where you live, but I wish it was near Knoxville or Raleigh, NC where there are excellent vet schools and resources.
You left out some important information that I need to know.
1) Where do you live? How big a city is it?
2) Is this a rescue dog? If so, some background on the dog and the rescue facility would help.
3) Have you talked to an animal behaviorist? She appears to have SEVERE separation anxiety.
4) Have you joined a GOOD Yahoo pyr group? If not, please join the one below and ask Cher for some feedback. She's the primary pyr rescue coordinator for eastern TN and adjoining states.
5) Have you had her vet checked to find if she has some kind of problem.
6) How long after you leave the room does she "freak out"?
7) Have you read up on separation anxiety and tried to desensitize her from freaking out when you leave the room she's in?
8) Do you give her a Kong toy or Pig's ear to enjoy when you leave her alone?
If you are with her and she barks, it helps if you pay attention to her and calmly say something like: "is there anything I need to look at? or did you scare the boogy man away already?"
If you react strongly to her barking or whining, you are rewarding her for doing so and you are training her to bark and whine more. Pyrs are very sensitive dogs and negative reinforcement has bad effects on attempts at training. Over-use of a shock collar can also have that effect. I do have one, and I did use it for a period of time, but you must do so carefully and not over use it.
At night, more lighting usually brings less barking. This is especially true at night.
Paying attention to the dog in a way that tells the dog you believe she's trying to warn you of something is another way to reduce barking both inside and outside.
Not yelling is better.
Not scolding or spanking is better.
Ignoring her when she barks or whines to get attention is a good thing to do. Rewards and attention should be given for behaving the RIGHT way.
If she's a rescue, she may have "baggage" you are unaware of that is causing this.
You need to have a behaviorist evaluate her and first observe her interacting with you in your home so the behaviorist understands your interaction with the dog so you can be guided to better interactions. This is even more important than attending obedience training with the dog.
p.s. A water bottle full of water to spray her in the face when she barks or whines MIGHT work. It does for some pyrs.
My 16mo old male pup went through a barking phase. Scolding him or saying NO BARK didn't work. Simply going sssSSSHHHHHHHH!!! DID work !
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- Anonymous5 years ago
This dog is a working dog breed, it needs a job to do. Unfortunately for you these dogs do not bond with 'their flock' unless they are brought up with them from a baby age. I would contact your local Pyrenees rescue org and re-home him. He needs a job to do. Ps Shock collar will only fix the symptom, not the cause of the barking, if you really care about your dogs' mental wellbeing you will address the cause.
- 5 years ago
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After I started training my dog, he became very attached to me and loves to stay by side as long as he can. But just going to them won't help. You have to practice what they teach you outside of the class and you need to keep up with it at least every now and then after the class ends otherwise they'll just go back to previous habits. This course is a really good place to go for dog obedience classes. It get's your dog around other people and dogs to socialize while getting the training you need. As for electric collars, I would say to not get one. In my experience, they're only a negative effect on your dog. I mean of course you're going to need to correct your dog, but being positive and encouraging your dog works a lot faster and easier.
Every dog is different, so unless you have a german shepherd or a really smart dog, it might take a while to train her. You might get frustrated with her, but go easy. She's still a puppy and has a lot of energy. A backyard or somewhere to run will help her get rid of a lot of energy that might cause her to misbehave from boredom.
- Anonymous7 years ago
Great pyrs have a high pain tolerance.and aren't good candidates for shock collars. They are independent thinkers and stubborn as the day is long. Pyrs respond better to positive reinforcement than any sort of punishment... In other words, reward her when she's quiet!