When it comes to extraterrestrial visitation, who is more incoherent?

We have always reflected ourselves and our features as humans on all imagined pictures/properties of aliens. Their shape, being violent and greedy, having armies and leadership..

Now, even this was mainly pictured in movies, but also when it comes to science, its not very different. I mean, the reason scientists oppose the alien claims is probably because they picture them having the same human sense of curiosity and knowledge. Thus an alien visit won't happen in such mysterious ways, but if they come they will try to introduce them selves and be ready to interact with humans.

This, and the fact that the huge distances are not easy to overcome. However, this takes us back to your reasoning that scientists rejects possibilities that surpass their present knowledge.

On the other hand, one of the things that makes people "who has no understanding of physics" explain certain UFO sitings as aliens is the influence and accessibility of the multi-media where its influence is both by popularizing these issues, and also by giving the means for almost every one to publish any thing and share different events. The result here is an exaggeration of an issue that has always occupied human thoughts.

'The person who has no understanding of physics and assumes that whoever these aliens are, they must be really advanced, and we are just too dumb to understand how they can manage to violate most of the known laws of physics simultaneously. This of course requires no evidence or justification.'

These chappies would be deemed the more incomprehensible by most educated people. Now, they could be correct, but it would be a stab in the dark - a guess.

The more reasonable answer is that, given what we know of physics and the limitations inherent on matter, it is unlikely that any conceivably advanced alien race could breach light-speeds. If they can, then it would be by a completely exotic means unbeknown to science.

I don't know your position but I think you have stated the problems of both sides very well.

I personally come at this from an historical perspective. Just about any time someone has said something can't happen, he has been proven wrong. You can't fly to the Moon, there's no air up there to support a plane. You can't fly, you're heavier than air. You can't circumnavigate the Earth, you'll fall off the edge. You can't travel outside the city, there are monsters there.

Now, the things we know are finite, while the things we do not know are probably infinite. And one of the things we do not know is how much of a head start our ET neighbors had on us, technologically speaking. A thousand years? A million? Not all planets were formed at the same time, after all. How many new things can you discover in a million years?

I think most of us just do not believe that alien are visiting the earth because we use to compare our associated space traveling process(our physic and technology limitation) to what a possible alien can.

If we accept that our learning process is still under development, then we can consider that our stage might be at some level in the immensity of it, which can be even worse than we think.

Maybe we are not aware yet of all physical lows. This is a chapter that only the future and our research will make known.

there is not something to "come clean" approximately. Like many people, you look perplexing UFOs (issues considered interior the sky) with extraterrestrial beings (residing creatures from yet another international). not a similar ingredient in any respect! UFOs (unidentified flying gadgets) are in straightforward terms unidentified because of the fact the observer lacks the astronomical or meteorological awareness to become attentive to them. it particularly is why you never pay attention approximately UFOs suggested via astronomers or meteorologists; they are in straightforward terms stated via people who're unfamiliar with what may well be considered interior the sky. i've got been an novice astronomer for over fifty years, and characteristic never considered something interior the sky that i've got not been in a position to become attentive to. although life almost unquestionably exists someplace else interior the universe, the significant distances between stars makes interstellar holiday almost impossible. No scientist has ever been in a position to verify a real alien, so all descriptions at the instant are not something yet delusion.

I don't really see the "bias" in a scientist claiming that ETs aren't buzzing the Earth in airtight pie-tins, based solely on how ludicrous the concept is, not just his understanding of science.

Sure, it has happened before that some smartie-pants figures out something that completely sets science on its ear, sending legions of shaggy whitebeards to the Old Scientists Home cackling to themselves "That ain't the way we did it in MY day!" But do you really think the "X-Files" guys have any chance at all of being right? Remember, if the nutters are right, then Einstein was wrong. Personally, I am going with Missouri on this one. "Show me" or get out. Until then, I find my position that extraterrestrials are just a product of 60 years of Hollywood brain-washing, to be acceptable and scientifically sound.

Could there be a greatly more advanced race of beings somewhere out in the Universe? Sure. There could also be a stand of magnolias in some backwater Louisiana swamp whose trunks spell out my name. Math is funny like that. Does it matter? Not in either case.

there is not any longer something to "come clean" approximately. Like many people, you seem difficult UFOs (issues considered in the sky) with extraterrestrial beings (dwelling creatures from yet another international). no longer an identical element in any respect! UFOs (unidentified flying gadgets) are in undemanding terms unidentified by way of fact the observer lacks the astronomical or meteorological expertise to become attentive to them. it is why you on no account hear approximately UFOs reported via astronomers or meteorologists; they're in undemanding terms reported via people who're unfamiliar with what would be considered in the sky. i've got been an newbie astronomer for over fifty years, and have on no account considered something in the sky that i've got no longer been able to become attentive to. regardless of the certainty that life surprisingly much quite exists someplace else in the universe, the vast distances between stars makes interstellar commute just about impossible. No scientist has ever been able to learn a real alien, so all descriptions are no longer something yet delusion.

What Faesson said above states it very well.

Yes we do have preconceived ideas that may still be proved wrong. However you violate the scientific method if you believe aliens are visiting Earth due to lack of evidence and repeatable results.

Better to have an open mind but SHOW ME attitude.

Hey Larry, I believe that although we have made incredible progress, we do not completely understand the laws of physics, especially where space and time travel or interdimensional travel is concerned. If there are other entities or civilizations visiting earth such as the recent ufo over that chinese airport, i believe that they actually warping space and time, and visiting interdimensionally as opposed to actually physically traveling millions of light years through space...they are not violating any laws of physics, because that is impossible, you know what i mean??

My dear Larry, I think that most people will say this: Extraterrestrial visitation is possible, as much as when you toss a coin, it can fall not heads or tails but on its edge. It is physically possible but most unlikely to happen.

Incidentally, there is a factor in Drake's equation that is called, I think, the chances to reach intelligent life and it is set to 0.01 (one percent). But for all we know, it may be 0.0000000000000000000001. Jean-Baptiste Lamarck meant that evolution was always seeking a higher level of intelligence but we know today that this is not the case. For all we know, there might be a lot of life out there, where none has achieved, nor will achieve a level of intelligence making it able to travel through space.