Prochoice Atheists: when do people get their rights; aka become "persons"?

i would say from the point that a fetus's brain has somewhat developed and there is certain brain activity, because lets be honest. you can be born without a leg or arm or whatever and still be alive. if your born without a working brain you are dead, even if every other part of your body could be kept functioning on life support.

so personally i don't believe abortions should be allowed after 3 months, because at that point the brain begins to develop in earnest

Birth. And no I don't think personhood determines everything. I'm comfortable with the Roe v Wade principle of viability determining whether abortion should be legal. So that means, I suppose, that an advanced fetus has "potential person" rights, the right to be allowed to be a person without, in my opinion, being a person yet.

If you connect everything up to the definition of personhood, then what about citizenship? Let me turn it around. If you believe a fetus is a person at conception, then should a person conceived on American soil be automatically an American citizen? Why not? Why do they have to wait to actually be born, since they already came into existence on American soil?

The case that established legal abortion was based on the legality of privacy of the mother as a right. At no stage during gestation does outlawing abortion not violate the woman's control over her own biology, even if the child is alive and capable of living independent from the mother. After birth, this is no longer the issue.

It's been narrowed down to the smallest of parasitic embryos as far as which constantly changing laws that are enforced so that if a psycho husband/rapist/boyfriend kills his pregnant woman, he's charged with murdering as many (sic) "sentient beings" that a medical autopsy can determine were viable parasitic attachments inside her uterus at the time of death.

That's the absurdity of sectarian poisoned deity-centric corruptible influenced man's law.

But, in an objective world, life begins at the moment that a parasitic embryo can survive unaided by medical science devices and breathe unaided, on it's own.

None of these medical devices required to keep a preemie alive are included or alluded to in any convoluted interpretation of the xtian bible where most anti-abortion overreach draconian anti-choice laws originate from.

Until such development in a parasitic embryo takes place, a parasitic embryo is not human life.

The easiest juxtaposition/comparison is this: Is a larva capable of doing what a fully developed fly, moth or butterfly does?

Of course not, and neither does a human "larva" AKA a parasitic embryo.

The main fixation for assigning exaggerated over-hyped importance to parasitic embryos as if they were capable of surviving outside a female's womb...... is an archaic emotional reaction to the possession of the life creating organ, (uterus) inside every fertile woman of breeding age.

It's all about controlling women who are the only human "creators" of human life, mans sperm merely flips the switch, the construction doesn't take place without 9 uninterrupted months of stable

parasitic embryo feeding time, interrupt this schedule and typically, the parasite dies from starvation and a gross lack of a suitable gestation environment.

This is the primary excuse for denying women full reproductive rights in a sectarian dominated secular constitution country like the US.

From what you are saying I guess I am not 100% pro-choice. I believe that at some point, a child needs to be determined a "person". After this point abortion should be out of the question. My personal view is that this should occur at some point in the womb. 6 weeks, 18 weeks, 24 weeks, I don't know. As you said, our society needs to have a serious discourse on this.

i guess when the baby can be taken out of the mother and survive on its own (without machines and stuff), then it has rights. but if the mother doesnt want to be pregnant, she shouldnt have to be. I think that should be the way to do it by law. but in reality, you should know if you want an abortion or not before you know you have a child. every pregnancy should be planned or at least expected.

I personally think that should happen at the age of around 10 years. When they can begin to think critically about their own existence.

So killing 9 year olds should be legal.

If you're looking for the legal answer... it is voting age. Before then you are chattel, the property and responsibility of your parents (if they still have rights).

As long as it ain't alive(before there is brainactivity) which is plenty of time to get an abortion.

This way life is simply prevented, not destroyed.

You can't abort a 9 month old fetus dipshit. You can only get abortions up to a certain point.