Isn't there a huge logical hole in this "proof" of God?

There are many flaws in the first cause argument. Why does the first cause have to be supernatural? Is there even a first cause? If god needs no cause maybe the universe is just a part of a multiverse where universe spontaneously come into existence all the time, so it also needs no cause. Of course all their argument prove to be, is a god of the gaps argument, because science cannot answer this question yet, they insert 'god' to fill the gap.

"creationists cleverly moved the goalposts"- That's not moving the goal post, but merely stating a fact of their belief, being a rebuttal of your later statement,"also must mean that god has a creator." The irony is that you're committing a fallacy known as Affirming the Consequent, by stating "that this also must mean.."

"But aren't creationists begging the question here?" Yes, but at the same time you are making a hasty generalization by saying "creationists", implying the aggregation of that belief.

The proof of God is contained within the validity of the Scripture,that being you've studied both sides of the argument and are not guilty of card stacking.No, this is not begging the question, because I have not said that the Scripture IS valid, I leave that to your discretion. I personally believe it is due to hearing arguments on both sides, but that's just me, you have to think for yourself.

Christian by the way:

I know that God exists, but from an unbiased standpoint here's how I see it.

If God does in fact exist, He obviously lives outside the earthly realm of space and time and therefore the rules of life such as being created wouldn't apply to Him.

I think you answered your own question already. ;-)

Yes - it is one of many problems with their belief system, but none of them will face up to it.

If 'god' does not need to follow the 'rule' that everything requires a creator, then why can't we just leave 'god' out of that, and just say that the universe doesn't require one? That makes much more sense, and does not rely on the existence of some Invisible Sky Leprechaun.

It isn't begging the question because eternity is implicit in the Judeo-Christian conception of God, and always has been.

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." (Rev 22.13)

Nothing precedes the beginning (which God is by definition), and nothing precedes the first (which God is by definition).

QUOTE: "But that's EXACTLY what begging the question IS! In order to avoid this fallacy, NOTHING about your conclusion can be "implicit" in any of your premises."

The Judeo-Christian God is eternal by definition. You can debate whether or not such a God exists, but you cannot modify the definition to suit your own purposes.

There's another assumption here. That the universe began to exist. Who says the universe began to exist? Not the big bang theory; all that says it that the observable universe was once very small.

Christian are morons who believe a lore/fable that has been passed down for generations....Jesus was simply a good person but as the story about him was spread people added to it so he become a wonderful man who saved people and brought people back to life....Christians try to argue that god is true but they have yet to show any evidence that he does actually exists... When christians can show me actually hard proof he exists i will drop to my knees and worship him.....but i can guarentee i won't be on my knees anytime soon :)

Proof of God? - but first - muslims, mormons and JWs have a false god - now - Does God exist?

• Everything which has a beginning has a cause.

• The universe has a beginning.

• Therefore the universe has a cause.

The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning, as will be shown below. God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so does not need a cause. In addition, Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space at the beginning of the universe. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, He is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so He has no beginning in time.

Therefore He does not have, or need to have, a cause.

In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. This can be shown from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of the physical sciences.

Now you have no logical alternative but to accept that Jesus is God:

“I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. “

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Col 2:9 (NIV)

Your answer is right there in your question, "everything that exists has a creator, the universe exists, therefore the universe was created by God".

God is not a "thing."

God is from eternity past, that is He had no beginning. This is an impossible concept for us to fully grasp, because we have all had a beginning. For God, to have been created, there would have to have been an even higher power who would also be God, so you can't win a 'no gods' argument on that basis.