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Jehovah's Witnesses: Does the Bible support different levels of eternal separation?
1Tim. 1:9~ "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless, and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers..."
Rev. 14:11~ "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
Matt. 25:46~ "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
None of us are guilty of doing what: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot did. So "everlasting punishment" may be their portion. What about those that are guilty of only "minor infractions?"
Minor infractions like: failure to find atonement for their sins. (Psalm 51:5) Or showing up to the wedding feast with no wedding garment, (Matt. 22:11) and then cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth? (v13)
* Outer darkness
* Weeping, gnashing of teeth.
* Hell fire (Matt.5:22)
* Where the worm dieth not, and the fire not quenched. (Mark 9:44)
* Smoke of torment ascends for ever and ever. (Rev. 14:11)
Are there different levels of separation, not leaving the most severe invalid in your opinion? I read JW posts that say they'll have nothing to do with the God that wrote these words in his Bible...Is that true?
"Stop lying about our creator?" Excuse me...But I'm quoting from his book. Literal or figurative is your choice. I don't think the bible is that complicated to understand. His love (John 3:16) in no way invalidates his: judgment, wrath, justice. He gave us a way of escape.
4 Answers
- keiichiLv 61 decade ago
Question: Does the Bible support different levels of eternal separation?
no.
Because Adam disobeyed, God sentenced him (and the race in his loins) to death -- not eternal torment or eternal separation from God. God in his great love caused his Son to be "made flesh," "a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death . . . that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." -- Genesis 2:17; 3:17-19; Romans 5:6-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Matthew 20:28; John 1:14; 3:14-18; Hebrews 2:9.
- assetholeLv 41 decade ago
Not one of Jehovah's Witnesses. But I have studied many religions including that of Jehovah's Witnesses for years. I can tell you this. Jehovah's Witnesses believe there are 3 places to go. There is the 144,000 whom Jehovah chooses to go to heaven to serve as helpers for Jesus Christ during the 1,000 year reign of Christ. These helpers will serve as judges, priests and kings.
Then there is the people who will live on earth. These are made up of the ones who survive Armageddon along with the people who survive the last test, which is at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. These ones are made up of the billions of people who are resurrected. Both righteous and unrighteous people will be resurrected. People who have already proven faithful to death such as Enoch, Abraham, Abel and David will likely not have to take the final test, or at least have some protection when Satan and his demons are released to try to turn people away from Jehovah's laws of that time.
Third is Gehenna, which is simply stated a non-existant state. These people will have nowhere to go, so they will simply die and not be any more. Their gnashing of the teeth is not literal but figurative, as their spirit remains with Jehovah and will never again be allowed to live. The eternal burning of these people will also be symbolic as nothing can burn forever, not wood, metal or anything else.
I know of know true Jehovah's Witness that does not take the Bible as a whole. They read ALL of the Bible. If someone claims to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses and says they do not accept any part of the Bible then they are not true Jehovah's Witnesses.
- Anonymous5 years ago
Trying to preserve updated with JW educating simply offers me a headache and I do not need that journal of theirs that you consult with. However, figuring out what I do approximately their a hundred and forty four,000 doctrine, I wonder whether the JW man or woman who spoke back that question would were referring best to the anointed elegance (the a hundred and forty four,000). That is when you consider that he prices from Mat 19:28 approximately the ones ones sitting on 12 thrones along Jesus to pass judgement on exact ones. All JWs recognise that (in keeping with their doctrine) it's only the a hundred and forty four,000 who can be be ruling with Christ in heaven, judging others. They reckon the 12 apostles are facet of the a hundred and forty four,000. If that's right, then he isn't pronouncing that each one JWs can be born once more. Further, because the a hundred and forty four,000 have got to be born once more and that's a non secular rebirth (which their literature is of the same opinion with), if they're implying that the pleasant crowd of 'different sheep' need to additionally revel in a rebirth after the resurrection, they could have got to provide an explanation for in which, within the Bible, there may be any trace that there are '2 levels' of the brand new beginning - one non secular, and the opposite bodily. Mind you, they appear so located to inform the 'different sheep' that the one change among them and the anointed is that the latter cross to heaven, I would not be amazed if educating comes out to mention the 'different sheep' get a 'kind-of' new beginning as good. Remember that the Watchtower Society has been challenged for lots of many years on their absurd denial of Jesus' phrases in John three, that everybody in need of to peer the Kingdom of God (allow by myself input into it) MUST be born once more, from above, via the Holy Spirit. Already they've informed the 'different sheep' that 'holy spirit' is to be had similarly to them and the a hundred and forty four,000 in keeping with how so much research, door-knocking, and recognition of Society educating they paintings at. If there's a new concept, that each one JWs will also be regenerated within the subsequent age - after Armageddon and the resurrection - then the JWs have a giant obstacle. How is it that all the a hundred and forty four,000 are regenerated (born agan) each time they die bodily? Once extra, this could betray their '2 levels'; 2 phases, 2 levels of salvation process. They make the entire factor so difficult it turns into absurd. They are simply digging themselves ever deeper right into a black gap. Jesus' phrases are practical and natural. Unless we're all born once more via the Holy Spirit adopting us into the loved ones of God, we will be able to by no means see - allow by myself input into - any element of the Kingdom of God. If JWs of the 'different sheep' elegance feel they're going to get the brand new beginning (or, regeneration) after Armageddon and the resurrection, then that's best a further carrot being dangled in entrance of them. Jesus stated "If you don't think that I am the only I declare to be, you'll certainly die to your sins." (John eight:24) They don't think Jesus to be the only He stated He was once. Nobody who dies of their sins can be regenerated or born once more. Hebrews nine:26-28 applies; we die as soon as, after which we are facing the judgement. It's time JWs aroused from sleep to the grave threat they're in.
- PARTYMARTYLv 61 decade ago
(1 Timothy 1:8-11) 8 Now we know that the Law is fine provided one handles it lawfully 9 in the knowledge of this fact, that law is promulgated, not for a righteous man, but for persons lawless and unruly, ungodly and sinners, lacking loving-kindness, and profane, murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, manslayers, 10 fornicators, men who lie with males, kidnappers, liars, false swearers, and whatever other thing is in opposition to the healthful teaching 11 according to the glorious good news of the happy God, with which I was entrusted.
(Revelation 14:9-12) 9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of his wrath, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. 12 Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones, those who observe the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”
(Matthew 25:41-46) 41 “Then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, ‘Be on YOUR way from me, YOU who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but YOU gave me nothing to eat, and I got thirsty, but YOU gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but YOU did not receive me hospitably; naked, but YOU did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but YOU did not look after me.’ 44 Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them with the words, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
I like putting things in context. The punishment is the same for infractions we are not repentant for. The punishment is simply a loss of life. When we see the instructions Adam was given God told him he would die not be burned forever.
(Jeremiah 7:31) 31 And they have built the high places of To′pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin′nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’
The God of the Bible would never burn anyone forever for any reason. Would you put your child's hand in a fire as a form of punishment. Stop lying about our loving Creator and realize that He wants the best for all mankind who want to do things His way.