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Model A Ford oil change?
Summer is here and I just broke the antique car out. The difference is this year I don't have my father around to guide me to prepping it for parades and Sunday driving. RIP Dad!
I know the oil needs to be changed but I recall him saying every few times you need to drop the oil pan and clean it out as there is no oil filter.
First of all I need to know what type of oil to use, I went to a few web sites and there is conflicting answers.
Second, Do I need to drop the oil pan? I want to start over everything fresh.
If I do drop it is there a gasket that I have to replace?
I'm sorry if there is a lot of questions, I just want to make sure the Model A is around to leave to my sons when I'm gone.
Thanks for all your help!
3 Answers
- ?Lv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
I'm sorry to hear about your loss, so I really hope I can help. I'm not a Model A expert, but I do know a little about oil. As a rule, older cars used heavier weight oil. Modern cars can get away with 5w-20 or less, but older cars more like 30-50 weight oil. The critical time is when you first start the engine. If the oil is too thin and has all run into the pan, the upper engine will be starved of oil. It needs to be thick so enough stays at the top. The other factor multi-grade vs single-grade oil. Multi-grade oil wasn't used much until after WWII, so your car was designed for a single weight. 10w-30 means the oil is about 10 weight when cold and 30w when hot. This makes staring a cold engine much easier than if it were straight 30w. Since you only use the car in the summer, you could use a single-grade oil just fine. I think the original oil was about 40w, so I would shoot for that.
The other factor to consider is additives. Almost all modern oil has detergents that will remove sludge from parts of the engine. Old oil did not have detergents and you had to worry about sludge all the time, hence the 3000 mi or less oil change advice (5000+ is plenty for modern cars/oil). If your dad used oil without detergents (less likely, but possible), adding oil with detergents will suddenly release all the deposits and you can get blocked oil passages, so tread carefully.
You also have to worry about ZDDP (Zinc dialkyldithiophosphates). Old oil had lots of ZDDP because it is such a great lubricant. However, it slowly wrecks catalytic converters on new cars, so modern oil has much less. Using modern oil with low ZDDP can slowly damage the engine, so make sure you choose an oil with a decent concentration of ZDDP (say >1500 ppm). Sometimes this isn't possible so you have to buy a third-party additive package which will boost the ZDDP levels.
This is why you have to drop the pan if you don't know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbqW6uHpASM If you are careful, you should be able to reuse the same gasket. If it leaks afterwards, then you will obviously need a new one.
Read this: http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Tech_Articl...
Good Summary at bottom: http://www.markhaywardismyhero.com/2008/11/18/what...
Special oil for classic cars (http://www.classiccarmotoroil.com/) multi-grade though, but has great ZDDP levels and extra additives for storage. A little pricey.
- RobertLv 61 decade ago
First my condolences on your loss. My dad would probably know, too. But... I would recommend that that you find a Model A club. Car clubs are great sources of information and members help each other. Even if there isn't one in your area there are national clubs and with the web today, they are almost as good. Good Luck!