Atheist: If the Big Bang banged big...?

im gonna have to agree with you man GOD is the father the creator the begging and the end

If something is building up to an explosion (as stated in (2)), there exists the need for time. However, time didn't exist before the Big Bang because the Big Bang created time. Therefore, (2) cannot be true.

Equally, the reason why energy has always existed (as stated in (1)) is that 'always' refers to 'since the beginning of time'. Since 'the beginning of time' was the Big Bang, energy came into existence during the Big Bang. It explodes at the same time as it being created, so (1) to (4) all happen at the same time.

Statement (a) is correct. Statements (b) and (c) make no sense to me.

The idea of cycles of Big Bangs is only one of many ideas. Each idea has evidence for and against it.

Option 1: G-d is clearly not the same as a higher dimensional space. Space implies a natural phenomenon, possibly a vacuum or possibly with elements, possibly unknown, within. However, G-d implies a sentient being with powers of telepathy or telekinesis and/or others. Natural phenomenon versus supernatural being.

Option 2: I doubt they call it magical. Dark matter is very complicated and it would take far too long to explain the little that I understand. From your crap summary, I can at least assume that if dark matter exists, dark energy may do too. So it's plausible.

Option 3: Statistically, this option has a very bad chance of being correct (compare the number of Big Bang theories to the one theory about a supernatural creator). Even with your options, the chances of G-d existing is approximately 33%. I wouldn't bet on those odds.

"Higher dimensional," means more dimensions, not better. This is not a hypocritical statement; you're just reading it that way.

They aren't calling for a supernatural force. They're merely stating that something is creating this effect, but it will take more study to really figure out what that is.

What you're doing is working on the assumption that God is true unless proved otherwise. When you say, "God did it," you're taking a position which is detrimental to the advancement of human understanding of our universe. If we assumed that we knew all the answers, why would we ever ask questions? And if we never ask questions, how can we ever hope to find real answers?

You've also presented a wildly inaccurate summary of the Big Bang Theory. No one is suggesting that there was a tiny singularity sitting out there in a void, just waiting to explode. Something outside of our universe (it must have been outside, as our universe didn't exist) triggered the Big Bang, which expanded into our universe from a singular point. What triggered the event and how to observe evidence of it are questions at the forefront of modern physics.

The proponents of this theory aren't saying that it's definitely right, and they're certainly not calling it complete. What they are saying is that, given the empirical, scientific evidence, this theory holds more water than anything that we've come up with so far.

I hope you enjoy ignoring every word of this answer.

Hey, you actually finally studied the big bang (sort of) and have stumbled upon one of the biggest questions in science. Nobody really knows. It may have been a fluctuation in a vacuum caused by the heat death of another universe. It might be something else. You can't say it took "long" for the singularity to expand because time didn't exist. Without time, how can any sort of causality exist? Also, how is believing in higher dimensions hypocritical?

Mathematically, the concept is sound. We can't prove it yet, but there is evidence to support it (look up M Theory). I believe in God, but I believe he used natural processes. Thus, there will be no evidence of his existence. However, throwing God into the equation raises WAY more questions than it answers ( and it really doesn't answer anything) and there's also no way to prove that it was the Christian God.

Also, neither dark matter or dark energy is magical. Dark matter actually has been proven by measuring the mass of galaxies and realizing that there's a lot more there than we can see and that it doesn't interact with electromagnetism. Dark energy is just a force that scientists don't understand that's causing the universe to expand faster and faster instead of contracting.

Your first 4 premises are invalid or just plain wrong.

1. We don't know know that. That energy can never be created or destroyed only counts after the BB.

2. Pure speculation on your part. Please provide a theory and evidence why you think this is so.

3. See #2

4. Why is this even here. BTW, it wasn't an explosion, it was an expansion.

a) Do you even know what a higher dimensional space is? You're use of the word hypocrites says no.

b) So anything we don't understand is magical. How does that work? Just because we don't understand dark energy or dark matter doesn't mean they are magical.

c) Please provide verifiable proof and a reasonable theory.

Better yet; go to a real school and get a real education. You should also learn about intellectual honesty.

You question depends on concepts that are not applicable to the early universe. "How long" for instance, is irrelevant as time would not flow, from our perspective and according to what we perceive as time, at the time of the Big Bang.

While it is true that energy cannot be created, it applies to the condition of the universe as it stands now. The proto universe would have worked on totally different principles.

Do yourself a favor, and get the latest edition (June 2011) of Discover magazine. There is an article about black holes that gives some insight that the internal structure of black hole could be creating matter and energy that are cast away into a parallel universe, along dimensions that have nothing in common with our universe.

While it does not resolve the issue of what was 'prior' the big bang, what was the cause thereof, not even ruling out the possibility of some god creator, the point of scientific atheism is that there is not a god that rules and monitor everything that happens in this universe, listens to prayers, grant miracles and will give you some eternal life after your are dead. These would be nice to have, but since there is zero evidence this ever happened, we'd rather remain on firm ground and dismiss all that stuff as unsubstantiated.

Call us hypocrite, and see us not caring at all about your perception of us. We would call you delusional in return, and would feel our impression is more solidly grounded.

1) Entirely possible.

2) That does not follow given what we know about spacetime.

3) That also does not follow given what we know about spacetime.

4) No, it expanded from a singularity.

Now, let's not forget

a) Energy can't be created, so

b) You have just made a non-sequitur because time is a function of dimensionality, not a function of energy, and

c) The current linear progression of time is a function of the expanding Universe in which we live, so your conjecture in no way applies to anything that occurred before the Big Bang.

So the solution to your problem is...

a) Option 1: Stop pretending you know more about physics than you do, and go do something you have a hope in Hell of being good at.

b) Option 2: Get a proper education on the subject before blathering on like an idiot.

c) Let's just pretend there is no option c.

"Atheist: If the Big Bang banged big...? Why'd it take so long to do it?'

Your joking right?

//''2)) Thus it was "building up a reason to explode (paraphrase as you please)", and...

3) Thus it remained at "infinite reason to explode" for an "infinitely long time", and..

4) Then it explodes?''//

The Big Bang isn't a random explosion, it's a continual expansion of time and space. Im sorry, but I refuse to take you seriously if you won't learn about what you criticize while we can prove it to be true.

We don't know what caused the Big Bang or if it even has a cause.

But that doesn't equal evidence that a magic dude who lives in the clouds did it.

FYI: Quantum entanglement is rock solid evidence there are more dimensions. So, your a is full of crap. We can see the effect of dark energy, so your b is full of crap. I think you can extrapolate that for c too.

Oh....and time is a dimension too.....it ain't energy at all. That is high school physics, so stop using big words you don't understand to try to sound smart. You'll get called on it.

The big bang was made up to explain the recession of galaxies.

The recession of galaxies was made up to explain red shift.

Red shift was measured by Hubble, but he did not suggest that it was caused by motion, and never believed the theory that bears his name. Astronomers simply assumed it was due to Doppler effect, ignoring other possible causes of red shift.

Astronomers also assumed that the distance of stars could be estimated based on their brightness, assuming that absolute brightness depends only on what type of star it is. there is no evidence at all to support that assumption. It is quite possible that a star looks small and dim because it really is small and dim. This assumption led to further confusion because it seemed that stars further away were moving away faster.

When you strip out the assumptions and look at what is known for sure, very little is known for sure. That is very unsettling to most scientists. They would rather be wrong than uncertain.

Time does not equal energy. Perhaps if you studied a bit of physics you would not make such jejune statements.