Can anyone prove this accusation of Evolution error or fraud to be a lie Christians & Atheist?

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please be respectful to both side I'm simply curious, Thanks

Piltdown man: Found in a gravel pit in Sussex England in 1912, this fossil was considered by some sources to be the second most important fossil proving the evolution of man—until it was found to be a complete forgery 41 years later. The skull was found to be of modern age. The fragments had been chemically stained to give the appearance of age, and the teeth had been filed down!


Nebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.


Java man: Initially discovered by Dutchman Eugene Dubois in 1891, all that was found of this claimed originator of humans was a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. The femur was found 50 feet away from the original skullcap a full year later. For almost 30 years Dubois downplayed the Wadjak skulls (two undoubtedly human skulls found very close to his "missing link"). (source: Hank Hanegraaff, The Face That Demonstrates The Farce Of Evolution, [Word Publishing, Nashville, 1998], pp.50-52)

Orce man: Found in the southern Spanish town of Orce in 1982, and hailed as the oldest fossilized human remains ever found in Europe. One year later officials admitted the skull fragment was not human but probably came from a 4 month old donkey. Scientists had said the skull belonged to a 17 year old man who lived 900,000 to 1.6 million years ago, and even had very detail drawings done to represent what he would have looked like. (source: "Skull fragment may not be human", Knoxville News-Sentinel, 1983)


Neanderthal: Still synonymous with brutishness, the first Neanderthal remains were found in France in 1908. Considered to be ignorant, ape-like, stooped and knuckle-dragging, much of the evidence now suggests that Neanderthal was just as human as us, and his stooped appearance was because of arthritis and rickets. Neanderthals are now recognized as skilled hunters, believers in an after-life, and even skilled surgeons, as seen in one skeleton whose withered right arm had been amputated above the elbow. (source: "Upgrading Neanderthal Man", Time Magazine, May 17, 1971, Vol. 97, No. 20)

In an attempt to further their careers and justify the claims that evolution is a legitimate theory, many scientists have fraudulently deceived the world by planting or reconstructing fossils which they would claim to be authentic finds. The most widely published evolution fraud was committed in China in 1999, and published in in the National Geographic

R S · Accepted Answer

The accusations of the evolutionary claims you have listed, have been (I have no doubt) proven as justified.  Now this doesn't necessarily disprove evolution (although I admit I do not believe in MACRO evolution or abiogenesis) but it does shine some light on what lengths some evolutionists will go to in order to prop up their faith (yes...I said FAITH) in something that has never been proven.

Frankly, I believe evolutionists have an agenda.  They refuse to believe in God in spite of all the wonderful design and precision in the universe, in spite of the miracle of life and in spite of the fact that no intelligent life has yet been discovered outside of our own planet.  They fail to see the irony of the methods they use to attempt detection of intelligent life.  What do they seek?  Information, code no matter how simple and all they get is garbly static.  And yet here on earth they quickly throw aside the ultimate evidence of intelligence and information (DNA) trying to explain it away as being manifested by some mindless natural force they like to call abiogenesis.  And then, somehow evolution (through natural "mindless yet purposeful" selection) will take it from their and give us the vast variety of species we see today.

Somehow..."natural selection" magically gave rise to consciousness, logic, knowledge of morals and love.  And survival of the fittest?!  Has anyone seen Jack *** or some of the idiocy that goes on in this world?  If "survival of the fittest" always prevailed then why are there so many idiots and weaklings in the world?  Would compassion be the reason?  If so what gave rise to compassion?

I'm sorry but I think God's word (the Holy Bible) gives the best explanation of the world around us.  It explains creation, a fallen world due to sin, man's depraved state and his need for God's mercy and grace.  It explains how we are conscious of right and wrong because His laws are written in our hearts.  It explains how we have such variety of species in the world.

You know what else, there are plenty of christian scientists (not be confused with scientology or christian science)...I mean bible believing christians who happen to be scientists in every field of science who genuinely believe in the biblical account of creation, the flood and God's gift of salvation through His son Jesus.  These same scientists follow the same principles of sound science as any secular scientists.  In fact, I have a book that contains essays on evidence for intelligent design from scientists in every field of natural science you can name.

My simple reply to an evolutionist and/or atheist would be, "Sorry, but I don't have enough faith to be an atheist".  I have faith in God but I'm convinced that it actually takes much more faith to believe in evolution (that is MACRO evolution and abiogenesis) than it does to believe in the God's word.

Of all the amazing discoveries and inventions that science has afforded us, none of it begins to scratch the surface of the amazing efficiency of the brain (especially the human brain).

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All you have shown is how good science is at being honest in the end. It weeds out lies, errors, frauds and cheats. Where is religions method for that?
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OK...fair enough...
When lies, errors, frauds and cheats are found in God's word come to light (they won't though), we'll let you know.  Feel free to point out any that you think have come to light.  It shouldn't be hard to reasonably dismiss each and every one without having to call on some fancy/imaginative theories such as "punctuated equilibrium", "abiogenesis" and other such nonsense to do so.

How many of you atheists believe in the steady state theory?  I'd say very few if any.  Do you believe the universe had a beginning?  If you believe the universe to be infinite then you are a "steady state" believer.  If you accept that the universe had a beginning then you must also concede that it had a cause.  But what kind of cause that is absent of space, time and matter could bring about space, time and matter?  Because the universe began, isn't it largely accepted that there was no space, time or matter?  Isn't nature itself in the realm of space, time and matter?  If so, wouldn't that mean that a supernatural cause could be the only kind of cause to beginning a natural universe?

Libertas Sumptus · Answer

Piltdown Man: A fraud suspected early on, and uncovered due to implementation of the scientific method. Science, not faith, found the truth.
+1 to science.
Science 1, Creationism 0

Nebraska Man: A mis-identification uncovered through the scientific method.
+1 to science.
Science 2, Creationism 0

Java Man: Disproven as a potential ancestor of modern humans through the scientific method. Rarely do Creationist websites mention, and often make historically inaccurate claims in the contrary, that
a) Dubois first published is Wadjak findings in 1890, not 1922
b) Wadjak is 65 miles (over 100km) away from the original Java Man site. Not "close by".
+1 to science.
Science 3, Creationism 0

Orce Man: A small finding with little bearing on the overall understanding of human evolution. Despite Creationist assertions, it has not been definitively proven to be a donkey or any other equine. Debate over the skull continues.
0 to both teams.
Science 3, Creationism 0

Neanderthal: Only synonymous with brutishness among those who do not follow paleontological discoveries. Contrary to some Creationist claims, they were not "Just as human as us", as this implies they *were* human. They have been shown through many methods, from bone analysis to DNA testing, to be a distinct species. The physiological differences are obvious even to those with no training whatsoever. These discoveries were made through continued research and application of the scientific method.
+1 to science.
Science 4, Creationism 0

Final score:
Science: 4/5
Creation: 0/5

Science is self-correcting. Creationism is self-deluding.

Anonymous · Answer

1. There is MORE than enough evidence to prove that God exists. Please explain to me how matter, how anything for that "matter" (get my pun?), could have been created? Do you have evidence that there isn't a God? 2. You will not burn in heck unless you willingly go against the Lord and choose to not obey His commandments. 3. You have to have a desire to not just read but also study the bible in order for it to make sense and cause a stirring within. 4. There are alot of things you can and cannot control. You can control having a gay marriage or not. Homosexuality is believed to be a sin. 5. Look around you! What do you see? I see beauty all around me because I know what ever God creates is good and is evidence that He exists (reread number 1). 6. There is such thing as Faith, you know. Your friend must not have any Faith. Otherwise he would believe. Believing in God or not is a choice. I respect your choice, but give us Christians the benefit of the doubt. Don't stone us like this.

Thor is a loving God Too. · Answer

Have you noticed that is the beauty of science, it weeds out any honest errors or "frauds"? Have you noticed that those things are "old news" that happened a long time ago when science didn't have the tools to quickly weed out such things? You mention something fairly recently in "China", but where is your examples in western science? All you have shown is how good science is at being honest in the end. It weeds out lies, errors, frauds and cheats. Where is religions method for that?

Edit: "Have you in your research ever read a article about faults of creationist?"

That's the part you aren't seeing, the built in corrective measure in science ISN'T a fault, it's an asset.

Edit: "Have you in your research ever read a article about faults of creationist?"

That's the part you aren't seeing, the built in corrective measure in science ISN'T a fault, it's an asset.

Cj · Answer

I can see there are numerous accounts of fraud in this field, but just because some scientist got over zealous to further his career doesn't discontinue the whole train of thought. There is still plenty of evidence to support evolution.

Likewise I could shave religious icons into trees and things in the area claiming the area has been blessed by God. Just because I was lying to everyone it doesn't discredit other people's religious beliefs.

Anonymous · Answer

The fact that some scientists are just as flawed as other people has nothing to do with the validity and viability of evolution.  These fakes have more to do with that scientist's career or status or self-image than trying to prove evolution.

But science, UNLIKE religion, is willing to change and adapt and revise its theories to match new observations and information.

Anonymous · Answer

Many Creationists who make these claims misrepresent or exaggerate the sources, perhaps unknowingly. For example, no scientist built Nebraska Man from a tooth. It was an illustration in a newspaper that contained an artist rendition of Nebraska Man with no scientific backing.

The best thing to do in these cases is to always question them and check the sources.

Believer · Answer

No one can claim that these did not happen...they are part of history.

These illustrations are just a small part of a much larger hoax. We see a similar sort of dishonesty with the fossil evidence, geologic column, radiometric dating, vestigial organs and so on.......

There is a denial of the evidence when it is contrary to their beloved theory even to the point that it hinders scientific advancement.

When confronted they put forth even more ridiculous theories such as aliens must have done it, puncuated equilibrium, downwashed or reworked fossils and overthrusts.

? · Answer

Sometimes hoaxes and the need for attention disrupt the flow of scientific knowledge.  Often times, proposals of deities and supernatural phenomena hinder the very creation of science itself.

Evolution is not wrong; there are simply some in the world who wish to take advantage of it for attention, fame, and money.

Anonymous · Answer

And what's your point?

"The most widely published evolution fraud was committed in China in 1999, and published in in the National Geographic"

That's an outright lie--it wasn't a scientist who faked the Chinese fossils.  But it was scientists who uncovered the fraud.

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