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? asked in Arts & HumanitiesPhilosophy · 9 years ago

Are the ideologies of Marxism and the Ayn Rand inspired "Free Market" eerily similar?

Both suppose that the dynamics of the economy should supersede the relevancy of the individual. Marxism subscribes to the theory of the collective having the ability to dispose of the individual for being a threat to the system. Whereas the latter ideology proposes that individuals that have no economic value should be allowed to perish as unnecessary and parasitic to the system. Both hold organized religion to be a threat, which makes the embrace of Ayn Rand by the "Christian" right absurd to me. Both have an innate cruelty at their core, and both give license to their followers to demonize and vilify anyone with a differing view. Human compassion seems to be the missing ingredient. Sorry, this probably belongs in a different section. If anyone would like to suggest one, (except sarcastic suggestions like the Garbage section) I'd appreciate it.

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I do not despise Rand nor Marx. I think both were well intentioned, but also think that both are equally flawed. Both seem stifling to humanity.

Since reading 1984 as a kid, and then Erich Fromm's Escape from freedom, I've always been leery of any belief system or ideology. I like the continuing argument that a "free" society is supposed to be. I think that the best course of action is sometimes found in the middle, a precarious balancing act to move forward on the tight rope of liberty, where corrections can easily be made so that we don't lean too far one way or the other and risk falling to our end.

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  • 9 years ago
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    You write: "Both suppose that the dynamics of the economy should supersede the relevancy of the individual."

    But in agreeing with America's Founders on the subject of individual sovereignty, she wrote: "Individualism regards man—every man—as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful coexistence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rights—and that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members." http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/individualism.ht...

    You wrote that Rand's "ideology proposes that individuals that have no economic value should be allowed to perish as unnecessary and parasitic to the system." But she actually wrote:

    "There are only two fundamental questions (or two aspects of the same question) that determine the nature of any social system: Does a social system recognize individual rights?—and: Does a social system ban physical force from human relationships? The answer to the second question is the practical implementation of the answer to the first." http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/social_system.ht...

    She despised 'big business' as supported by legislated fiat: "In business, the rise of the welfare state froze the status quo, perpetuating the power of the big corporations of the pre-income-tax era, placing them beyond the competition of the tax-strangled newcomers. A similar process took place in the welfare state of the intellect. The results, in both fields, are the same." http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/welfare_state.ht...

    She never said the innocently helpless are parasites who ought to die. What she did say was: "I regard compassion as proper only toward those who are innocent victims, but not toward those who are morally guilty." http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/compassion.html

    As for the comparison between capitalism and Marxism, she said something you will find eye-opening, given that you seem to despise Rand:

    "It is true that the welfare-statists are not socialists,

    that they never advocated or intended the socialization of private property,

    that they want to “preserve” private property—with government control of its use and disposal.

    But that is the fundamental characteristic of fascism." http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/welfare_state.ht... [emphasis by splitting the clauses was mine, for the effect]

    Fascism is not compatible with anything she wrote, and certainly not in light of the quote above about individualism.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    In Rand's scheme of things every individual is provoked to be productive, he is given the chance to do so, and if he performs excellently he is rewarded.The dynamic at at play here is the uniqueness of the individual and his capacity to be productive, very different from the Marxist concept of the individual as the averaged person - featureless and perpetually leveled.

  • 9 years ago

    The man vs society thing is a little strange. Whether you set it up as "persons" fighting for freedom from the mass of undifferentiated people trying to keep them down, or the "people" fighting for freedom from the self-interested persons trying to keep them down, you're still losing sight of how we're all in this together.

    I don't know what to make of those who express confidence in the "people" while decrying the evils of "society".

    Isn't this all an interconnected thing? Can we really set ourselves apart as getting ahead by our own merit alone? Can we really blame a few persons for all the ills of society?

    As Tool put it,

    "Before you point your finger/

    You should know that/

    I'm The Man/

    And if I'm The Man/

    Then you're The Man/

    And he's The Man as well so you can/

    Point that ******' finger up your ***".

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    As spoke of by way of his answering zealots it might look so. Jim Jones' followers have been additionally outspoken, psychological midgets. Obama is an spectacular orator, regrettably so substitute into Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Peron, Hitler, Stalin, an as you pronounced cult leaders like Jones. those unhappy followers will proceed to attack or perhaps however people like Ferraro have been lifeless on with their comments the denial will proceed as they attempt to instruct how open minded their hypocrisy is.

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  • 9 years ago

    An organized business collective of equal ownership competing on the free market...Marxist capitalism, it may have a future.

    Source(s): Saw it on Link TV.
  • Yes, tragically both extreme leftism and extreme rightism have historically resulted in wholesale injustices as you describe.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Yes, Paul, in effect they are wearily similar

    and it`s astute and timely of you to draw attention to same.

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