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Not allowed to say prayers at council meetings anymore?

Right decision I say, if people want to say a prayer then that's fine they can do that in their own time, but having time set aside for prayers on the agenda of a council meeting? I don't think so.

The hysterical response is laughable also. Lord Carey says "This is the gradual marginalisation of the Christian faith" whilst Eric Pickles described it as "disappointing".

And I think Eric Pickles has misjudged the public mood on this. When the top rated comment on The Daily Mail artice is "Good for Clive Bone. I have nothing against anyone who has faith - that's their business, and their right - but religion has no place in council meetings." he clearly doesn't have the public on his side.

Also he's a quite revolting man in general, just saying.

Opinions?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-1699523...

Update:

Yoda you're a fool, I want people to be able to practice religion freely and don't want to force my beliefs on anybody or give "more rights" to any particular group. That is exactly what was happening at council meetings prior to this ruling. Saying Christian prayers at the beginning of each council meeting would be the equivalent of an atheist standing up and giving a lecture on why god doesn't exist, both completely unacceptable in a council meeting.

As for: "When all they are saying is that nothing has any meaning at all." That's just moronic.

Besides it's a UK question so piss off!

Update 2:

To suggest that without religion everything is meaningless is a moronic thing to say so don't blame me for assuming you're a moron, have a think about what you're saying.

And I don't understand this: "Or ask the person who is writing it to read it to you."

What does it mean? I'm dictating this to somebody? I'm capable of thinking of this question but not of operating a keyboard? I'm physically disabled? What?

Update 3:

Atheism doesn't require study, it's simply a broad term for those who don't believe in god. I know from experience that everything isn't meaningless to me, the relationships I have with my partner, my family, my friends, the decisions I make each day are not meaningless and forgive me for taking exception to the suggestion that they are.

I'm happy for someone to disagree with me as long as they don't insult me (and yes suggesting my entire life and everything I have done and do IS offensive). Apologies for calling you a moron, but like I say we're judged on what we do and say and if you say something which I consider moronic, then well I'm happy to say so.

No hard feeling, peace.

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  • Tavy
    Lv 7
    9 years ago
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    I was quite surprised that Prayers were no 1 on the Council agenda. I thought this was just a tradition not part of a Council meeting. As a rather elderly Christian lady I cannot see why they should be part of the actual agenda. They can be said before or after, giving people a chance to join in or not.

    Blown out of all proportion.

    UK

  • 9 years ago

    I don't think a council meeting is the place for religion - after all, politics and the work of a council should be secular, and having prayers of any faith at the beginning undermines that. It also marginalises anyone in the room who is not Christian, or is not religious, right from the outset. Religion is a private decision for an individual and should not be a part of public life, especially during time paid for by the multi-faith tax-paying public.

  • 9 years ago

    The councillors are elected officials in order to run the the ordinary business of the community. I really can not see where "Prayer" on the agenda relates to what people require a council to do.

    Those who wish to pray can do so in the proper places of worship or in private and is certainly something that should not be on any council agenda. Its time consuming and in the wrong place.

  • 9 years ago

    I think you have picked up the wrong interpretation of what was said.

    The ruling was that prayers cannot be COMPULSORY for everyone before council meetings. Those who want to can still meet for prayer before or after council business.

    That is no threat to people of any religion and, rightly, draws a clear distinction between what IS and what IS NOT legitimate council business.

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  • guiri
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    No. Not unless everyone agrees.

    I suppose that 1952 was the last coronation at Westminster Abbey.

    They will have to hold the next one in Scotland. (Like Charles' wedding).

    Time to bring back the inquisition and the rack methinks!

  • 9 years ago

    I think it is uneccessary to have prayer meetings at a place of work.

    Prayer i thought, was a personal, private action between you and god. Not a group 'prayer for all'

    It seems to be one of the many outdated traditions that still infiltrate the way in which councils are run.

  • 9 years ago

    I totally agree with the ruling. Politics and religion should not be mixed. Do these Councillors want forgivness for their corrupt acts e.g. failing to declare interests?.

  • 9 years ago

    I agree it's the correct decision, there's plenty of time for those that wish to pray, both before and after meetings.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Why should Atheist have more rights than Christians. You agree because you are an atheist. Nothing more.

    I am always surprised why Atheist want to force their beliefs on existence on everyone and everything. When all they are saying is that nothing has any meaning at all.

    Ha ha ha ha - I am the moron am I. Please read your response and question. Or ask the person who is writing it to read it to you.

    Logic is not high on your order of importance. - I am English and live in the UK but I guess your opinion matters more than reason..

    Hi - seems my answer has got your attention more than anyone Else's. I guess it is because I have studied Atheism a bit more than you and confronted you with its ultimate conclusion. That seems to be the point you do not like most. My guess is that like most atheist it is an easy position to take and you assume it requires little thought. But you will find that the argument takes you to that conclusion eventually. Your anger is down to you not understanding what I am saying. I am not insulting you, like you are me. I am simply telling it like it is. Sorry if you only want to hear people of like minded simplistic opinions. This forum gives you everything and nothing.

    Here is my last take on this - you say that everything is not meaningless to you. Great. that's a start. Would all the things you hold dear to you still have meaning if you did not exist. Do any of the things you mentioned, and they all seemed to be very centered on you, have any universal relevance. We all come to a conclusion about existence some time in our lives. Atheist would suggest the relevance and meaning of everything is whatever you personally give those things. People of faith would say there is a Universal relevance to everything. I think in the quiet moments we need to reflect on what it is we mean by what we believe. Atheism is not the belief in nothing and as you yourself have shown Atheist have very strong beliefs and are willing to defend them. What those beliefs are however is not really understood by some of you. You minimalise emotions by reducing them to chemical reactions and trivialise existence by beleiving the source of everything is nothing. Yet you turn around and say you see meaning in things. Like I said everything and nothing in this forum

    God Bless you and I hope one day you will join us.

  • Anonymous
    6 years ago

    the BBC is supposed to British, but what I see is they will defend every religion but our own, **** scared in case they offend the Murdering Muslims

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