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Does it annoy you that some of baseball's records are held by PED users?
It makes our game seem like a joke. The fact the all time home run king is a juicer who's head went from pea size to watermelon and is a PED user. And that Alex Rodriguez may take over the all time RBI record and he's had much proof of his steroid use, from the Mitchell Report to Canseco's book. And then there's Roger Clemens. It seems like baseball's prestigious records and clubs are becoming cluttered with nuances who cheated and made baseball look like a joke. Does this bother you?
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- Anonymous9 years agoFavorite Answer
Nope, because I don't consider them to be legitimate records. As far as I'm concerned, Hank Aaron is still home run champ and Maris still holds the single season record for homers.
Counterfeit Bonds, McGoon, Scammin' Sammy and the rest of them can go fock themselves.
- el ÁguilaLv 79 years ago
Not as much as the fact that the very first 300-game winner used PEDs (Pud Galvin), AND has been inducted into the Hall of Fame! He also holds the record for most starts in a single season (75).
And a 'bellyache' Babe Ruth had once may very well have been a reaction to PEDs, too. I've seen some convincing evidence that Mickey Mantle's fade in 1961 was the result of a steroid/testosterone injection that became infected.
Plus, players have been using illegal amphetamines longer than steroids; Mike Schmidt said so, and said he'd done them a few times.
John McGraw may very well have attempted to bribe an umpire in a pivotal game in 1908.
The Reds' 1919 World Series championship title is tainted, and the Red Sox' 1918 and White Sox' 1917 might be tainted, too.
Many records, most notably that for hits, are held by a gambler who's banned from baseball.
Several Cy Young Awards were given to Gaylord Perry and others who flagrantly broke the rules of baseball.
Norm Cash won the 1961 AL batting title with a corked bat.
All of these things bother me, far more than Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire.
- jigokusabreLv 79 years ago
No more than a spitballer having the record for most wins, or most shut outs, or any number of dead-ball era pitchers having career pitching records that are out of reach of modern pitchers.
Every era of baseball has its cross to bear, steroids, greenies, segregation, ball-tampering... it doesn't really matter. Hal Morris and Brady Anderson did the same PEDs that Bonds did, and they're legends. Ken Camanitti did PEDs, but can you be sure Kevin Mitchell didn't? What about Cal Ripken or Mike Schidmit? How do you know Roger Maris' 61 HR season was legit? His career stats seem to call the idea into question...
- Des-n-JesLv 49 years ago
Yes and No. In my opinion, there were probably just as many pitchers using PED's as there were position players, some reports have it as high as 70% of the league using during the 80s and 90s. It's a sore spot on the whole sport, but drug abuse has been common for years. On an ESPN special members of "The Big Red Machine" talked about taking "greenies" which was speed, and said that it was in the league long before and long after their tenure. The way I see it, if everyone who used PEDs were to come clean a lot of the names on the list would probably surprise us. To me it is just another era of the sport, like the dead ball era. I mean, there isn't anything we can do about it now, would an * in the record book really make a difference? Not to me, there just isn't a good way to determine what records were affected and what ones weren't. So Yes it makes me mad, it's a black eye on the sport because of the publicity it got, but there isn't anything we can do about it now.
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- 9 years ago
No. Players have been using various magic potions since time immemorial. Baseball is a competitive enterprise that attracts competitive people and they are all continuously seeking an advantage. Some of them found various ones, at different points across time, that were effective and that the rules hadn't yet caught up with.
Records are interesting in their way, but the raison d'etre of the game is winning: play winning baseball. The stats are just a by-product, a side effect, ancillary data, how what was done is measured. Some numbers end up bigger than others. Or smaller.
- 9 years ago
Not really. Did anyone get tested for the juice 15 - 70 years ago when all the legitimate records you spoke about were set? How many pitchers were juiced up ( Clements! ) that Bonds and Rodriguez faced. What they did was wrong, and they got caught. What about all the users who never got caught?
- 4 years ago
i think of playing and throwing a worldwide series is going hand in hand. If a participant or gamers throws a WS - it comes from desiring some thing in return. usually this some thing could be money. those presenting the money to throw the video games could additionally choose some thing in return. maximum in all risk gamblers taking advantage of the "restoration". historic previous has shown us this could ensue because it did with the blacksox in 1919, banning 8 individuals of the Chicago Whitesox from baseball. Gambiling or throwing a WS is lots worse in my view. no longer in basic terms does the gamers destroy the integrity of the interest - yet they ruin the midsection of the fan. PED's are undesirable... yet you nevertheless could desire to work out the ball and hit it - it particularly is between the toughest issues to do in all of activities.
- Anonymous9 years ago
Nope