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Challenge To Atheists: Provide Logical Argument there is no God?

Challenge To Atheists: Provide a Logical Argument there is no God.

I realize this is a statement, not a question. I did not ask it as a question because I couldn't think of a way to ask for the argument. "Can you provide [such] an argument" could simply have been responded to with a "yes" without satisfying my curiosity.

Anyway, please provide a logical argument to suggest there is no God. Realize there cannot be a logical "proof" there is no God, because God could simply pop His head up and say, "the wisdom of man is foolishness."

Also realize any argument based on what Christianity says about God will be rejected. For example, if some 'atheist' were to say, "God is good. Evil exists in the world. Therefore there is no God," that argument will be rejected because it displays an ignorance of what God wants with a world with evil in it; it does not refute the existence of God.

Also realize any assertions that atheists don't need proof or that's not how the game is played will be rejected. For our purposes, all I am asking for is an argument for believing there is no God, not arguing the merits of asking for such an argument.

Provide a logical argument why it is reasonable to believe there is no God.

Good luck.

Update:

In answer to the question here:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=201207...

“Jarhead” said, You don't need science to prove that fairy tales don't exist, just pure logic.

If “Jarhead” thinks there is a logical reason to believe there is no God, then surely Jarhead or other atheist(s) can provide one, no?

In the same page, Michael K said, “The burden of proof isn't on the negative. It's on the positive.”

I agree. The atheist who says, “there is no God,” should be prepared to prove it.

Did I catch the atheists unprepared? Did they never think they should be expected to explain why their faith in the non-existence of God is a more logical position that the faith of the believer in God?

And some of you fail in reading comprehension. The claim there is no God is just as ludicrous as the claim there is a God, if that claim is asserted as fact without evidence.

Update 2:

The argument, "you can't prove there is no IPU [or other]" is illogical and non sequitur, and fails to respond to the question: provide a logical reason to believe there is no God.

Update 3:

To "Shopper," the answer is hiding or not in that page at all. (If it is on the page behind the link, then your claim the answer is on that page is false, isn't it?) Please point out who you think gave what is the Logical Argument there is no God, or post it here.

Update 4:

Sarnath makes a valid point... for the agnostic position. The agnostic says there is not enough reason to believe there is no God, but does not say, "there is no God." My challenge was for the atheist, who says with a firm, unshakable, blind FAITH, "there is no God."

By what logical reason should anybody believe there is no God?

Update 5:

It was claimed, "Thirdly, an omnipotent being has unlimited power. It could create a four-sided triangle. Moreover, it could without simply changing the meaning of the word "triangle". It could literally create an object that both is a triangle and not with three sides. If it cannot, then it would not be omnipotent."

This is false. Definitions have meaning, ergo, something that does not fit the definition is not what the name means, and thus, does not qualify as an objection. The limitation is on the OBJECT, not on God.

Update 6:

The answers to the effect that burden of proof should be shifted away from the atheist who makes an unfounded claim that there is no God to the theist who says there is one have already all been ignored, since I already said such arguments do not address the question at hand. It is like a person asking, "Is NASCAR good for the environment?" and getting the answer, "NASCAR is a sport, not a game." Non sequitur. Answer the challenge: provide a logical argument that there is no God.

Update 7:

Robert Abuse said, "Do you agree that the Fangzlepop of Blagnoroth doesn`t exist? Prove it or we will all think that you do."

You would be making an assumption (without evidence) if you did. It seems you "atheists" quite like to make assumptions without evidence.

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  • UMAR
    Lv 6
    9 years ago
    Favorite Answer

    I would like to reiterate that "There does not exist any logical denial to the existence of God, The Almighty".

    Denial of GOD is indeed illogical. It does not require a Super Computer or a think tank brain to ascertain the evidence of God, however, pure and sublime faith can easily discern His existence. From where does faith in God come ? It comes from straight and unbiased reasoning, not through twisted logic.

    The atheist's denial of God can be easily explained by this example; "Just as if somebody cries out on the top of his voice that [There is nobody present in this house]." ........

    Source(s): Commonsense
  • 9 years ago

    It's a big universe out there. I'm not sure it would be at all possible to say positively what does or doesn't exist out there. In fact, some gods are supposed to be (somehow) outside the universe, so I'm not sure how anyone is supposed to say what's out there without any consistent or reliable information.

    If it helps, can come up with a meta-logical proof for the non-existence of an omnipotent being in a logical universe like ours is observed to be. It's a proof by contradiction (of course).

    Firstly, I want to establish an obvious fact: all triangles have three sides. This is what's known as an analytic truth; it is a necessary truth because it follows from definitions. We define three-sided polygons to be triangles, and we can therefore conclude necessarily that all triangles have three sides. If it had four sides, it would definitely not be a triangle, instead it would be something else.

    Secondly, there is the deductively valid argument, "P and not P implies Q". That is, if a contradiction is true (i.e. if something is both true and false), then every statement whatsoever is true. It doesn't have to relate to P at all. For example, if it just so happens that it's both raining and not raining on me, then it follows that all cows are green and are named "Chris". This is a simple (but counter-intuitive) theorem in logic. It means that any logical system with a contradiction is completely useless, since everything would be both true and false. It also means that our system has no contradiction, since not every statement imaginable is both true and false. For example, it's still false that a triangle has four sides, so there cannot logically be a contradiction in the universe.

    Thirdly, an omnipotent being has unlimited power. It could create a four-sided triangle. Moreover, it could without simply changing the meaning of the word "triangle". It could literally create an object that both is a triangle and not with three sides. If it cannot, then it would not be omnipotent.

    Finally, an omnipotent being with this power means that it's possible that, out there, a four-sided triangle exists. This is a *direct contradiction* with the true statement "a four-sided could not possibly exist". It doesn't matter if the being in question is "above" logic or not (well, clearly such a being would have to be above logic, prima facie). If it exists, the possibility of something impossible exists, which is a contradiction. This would break logic for all time and space. It would be true that 1 + 1 = 3, that cows are green and named "Chris", that the being exists, that the being does not exist, etc. But, since some of these things are not true, this being cannot exist.

    But yeah, if the gods don't have to be omnipotent, then I've got nothing general. It doesn't make inductive sense to conclude that such beings will exist, since we've seen nothing with that kind of power before, but there's a first for everything, right? Well, except the things that don't exist...

  • 9 years ago

    "any assertions that atheists don't need proof or that's not how the game is played will be rejected"

    So in other words, you can't stand people calling you on your bullshit.

    The total lack of evidence for God (and no, "stuff exists!" or "where do we get morals?" are not evidence) is a good indicator that he's not there. Of course can't be "disproved", which is why I don't make the assertion "there is no God" (learn the difference between positive/negative atheism) but so what? Plenty of things can't be disproved. It means nothing.

    That being said, the absence of evidence is a good enough reason for me assert that the existence of God is, while not impossible, extremely unlikely. Do you know about Occam's razor? Humor me: which is more likely? There's actually a "sky-wizard" who designed all of this, or this is just an unsubstantiated hypotheiss used to control the masses?

    "The argument, "you can't prove there is no IPU [or other]" is illogical and non sequitur, and fails to respond to the question: provide a logical reason to believe there is no God."

    Actually, it's an analogy that you've failed to grasp.

    Also, you've failed to own up to the fact that your whole spiel here is based on a strawman and your lack of distinction between "positive/negative" atheism.

  • 9 years ago

    Uh, first of all, take a look outside of your pritsy little perfect church going Christian life and tell me you see Gods hand working anywhere in the world. With all the starvation, war, genocide, terrorism, perversion, greed, and of course, worthless people as yourself. I don't see Gods work. And secondly, why are there over four thousand different religions created by man? Wouldn't you think an all knowing, all powerful being such as your God just make everyone worship him and not give anyone the choice to deny his existence? Oh no, but its all a game right? God gave you the choice to decide on your own. And if you don't do what he wants,YOU'S GOIN TO HELL. And any intellectual atheist would say that it is not only Jehovah that is fake, but each and every religion and spirituality man has ever came up with. How can you be so blind, and cling to one belief system, when there are thousands alike it? You Christian clowns crack me up!! You're just so cute, with your little imagery friends and all.

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  • Doya K
    Lv 5
    9 years ago

    Look if i say i have a dragon in the back of my car... not a toy a real live dragon that is 30 feet long and a wing span of at least 200 feet. it breaths fire and is grading a chest of gold (that is also in my car). this chest of gold is at least 4 tons. And i drive this around daily... You would say ... No you don't... well where is your proof i don't?

    Next i say harry potter is a real story that actually happened. You say No it wasn't... Then i say where is your proof it didn't happen?

    Next i say... You can't prove that this isn't true, so it must be true... then you say... well maybe just maybe you can't prove a negative... So logically the burden of proof falls on the one making the claim that something exists not on the one saying that it doesn't.

    You see the real question is why would it be logical to believe in a god? It takes nothing to not believe in something... however it takes evidence to believe in something.

    pointing out that NOT believing in something is the NATURAL state of mind is VERY LOGICAL!. We are pointing out that it takes effort to believe in something... if there is no evidence for said thing than why should any one believe in it?

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    "Also realize any assertions that atheists don't need proof or that's not how the game is played will be rejected."

    I see you have opted out of intellectually honest discourse (i.e. the way we handle truth claims in society). Congratulations. That’s some achievement.

    Unfortunately for you, no silly disclaimer is going to change the fact that it is those making the positive assertions (e.g. “There is a God”) that need to provide the evidence.

  • 9 years ago

    You ask two different things. I cannot provide a logical argument why "there is no god" (from your title question) but I can provide "a logical argument why it is reasonable to believe there is no God" (last sentence of your post): absence of evidence. Absence of evidence is consistent with absence. It's entirely legitimate to conclude absence if there is no evidence of existence because without evidence the only thing you have is speculation. Speculation is not an adequate basis for believing that something exists.

    There is no credible evidence for the existence of god. All evidence asserted (that I've seen) is much better explained through ordinary, mundane natural laws and human nature. Thus I conclude there is no evidence for god, and so god does not exist. This is, of course, subject to change pending new evidence.

  • 9 years ago

    There is none such evidence and never will be. The universe is too much for human being ever to understand well enough to make such a definite and erroneous statement as 'There is no God'

    Meanwhile they cleverly put the onus on believers to produce evidence..when they know that any evidence presented to them can be reinterpreted in any way they choose.

    They don't want to listen because they have already determined their destiny which is hellfire eternally.

  • 9 years ago

    Realize that you can't prove a negative. That's a fact.

    Things that don't exist don't leave proof of their non-existance.

    You can't prove Zeus, Hera, Odin, Thor or Krishna don't exist.

    You can't prove Bigfoot or fairies or sea monsters don't exist.

    They also could pop their heads up and call you foolish. Anything "could" happen, in theory.

    Atheists don't believe in a God because they see no evidence one exists. That's pretty logical.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Is there a logical argument against the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient hyperbeing that exists outside of space and time thereby leaving no trace of it's existence, hmm.

    Occam's razor says it doesn't exist at all, requires far less leaps of the imagination and gap filling.

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