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Tell me why pure communism is not OK?
Please, by all means, go ahead. Have at it.
First person who answered (I can't see your name for some reason), why is it not an attainable goal? Granted, it would be attainable after a suitable amount of countries became communist since it would be nearly impossible for a country to be totally self-sufficient in the modern era, but if enough countries became communist, then yes, it would be possible. No money, just a bunch of places getting what they need.
The Wiz, that's why I'm an anarcho-communist. We wish to skip that phase. :)
IChee, good point, but no government =/= no system. There probably be benefits for people who work, but people who didn't work (or couldn't) wouldn't just be left out to die like they are in capitalism. Communism is the most humanitarian economic system of which I'm aware.
Alex, very good point! Glad you brought it up. Yes, I'm a hundred percent sure that a communist system wouldn't be as productive, but to me, a system that ensures that no one is dying or starving to death for the sake of turning a profit is better than one that does not.
A Real Patriot in 2016, you obviously are not aware that pure communism has no government, just people working together for the sake of one another. Ironic, isn't it, that conservatives preach about neighbors helping neighbors and yet vehemently oppose the economic system that directly implicates those values?
Um, guy below A Real Patriot in 2016, also a good point, and I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable on that topic. I know there were several anarchist protests during the reign of the USSR. Was this the anarchists, living without the government, or was it government-controlled territory? As for China, it was a very poor nation, and I'll be the very first person to admit that communism would be exceptionally hard to pull off in the modern era without establishing a lot of associations with other communist countries with rich resources.
john, I too think it would make sense if there were a lot more communist Christians. I mean, it makes no sense to believe in economic Darwinism while also holding onto the belief that every man was created equal.
Love.Canada, good point. I have many things in my house I don't need, though not out of greed, but for entertainment, mostly. Communism ensures that people will have what they need. I was thinking of a system where working people would get benefits such as computers, HD TVs, and etc. We could also give these things to anyone who wanted them but remind them that it is they who are keeping society going and that their work ensures that they can keep up having a lot of freedom.
Andy, it does not deny competition; it only denies it in the market. There are many other ways to compete with others than financially. So what if there is no private property? Most people are going to respect what other people have, even if it is technically owned collectively.
Communism denies people the chance to starve to death and live under a bridge during the winter. Yes, it's such a terrible system.
Lex Luger, O...K?
Captain Obvious, the world is slowly becoming more and more understanding and accepting. It isn't a fantasy anymore; it could actually happen if enough people actually tried. As to the realizing the dream being tyrannical, this is why I support anarcho-communism, not Marxist/Leninist theories on how to get there.
Dev, you make very good points, and I agree that the use of a totalitarian state is the wrong way to achieve pure communism. Pure, REAL communism, however, has no state and no leaders. This is why I support anarcho-communism, and it's also why I think two sides of the political spectrum (stateless capitalism and totalitarian communism) will never work. If there is one agency that is acting directly on the people and has too much power, then it will inevitably become tyrannical. This, in my opinion, means that government and businesses must have about equal power (modern American society, fascism, etc.) or no power at all (pure communism).
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- socialistpbLv 68 years agoFavorite Answer
I don't like your use of 'pure', but Communism would be great, not just OK. A society where people just work together to meet their needs, eg building houses because people need places to live, rather than to make a profit for a small number of capitalists. No rulers, no classes, no bosses. Common ownership of land, factories etc, and production for use.
This is the Marxist position (not Marxist/Leninist, as Lenin wasn't a Marxist).
Communism has no connection at all to the state capitalism of Russia and Cuba.
Source(s): http://www.worldsocialism.org/ - 8 years ago
There are many reasons. But the following is what I see to be the primary reason:
Communism believes in an equal distribution of wealth, taking into accounts needs of individuals and the work done by the individual. The state is the mechanism through which this equal distribution is meant to be achieved. This means, that in order for system to work it necesitates the state having a lot of power in order to ensure equality in wealth distribution. There lies the problem. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and communism requires the state to have much more power than a state in a typical capitalist economy country or social market economy countries.
Whenever the state has that much power, the power tends to be abused. The problem is that creating a system of checks and balances is much more difficult when the state has been given so much power. Creating checks and balances is difficult enough as it is in a capitalist or social market economy. The problem is that much more worse in a communist economy.
Even if the leaders from the top to bottom of the structure have the best of intentions, that is not enough, as leaders change, and it is not enough for the leaders to be good, but we need a system in which there can be adequate checks and balances. This is arguably impossible or at least extremely difficult in a communist system. That is why pure communism would be unachievable and potential a dangerous goal.
Dont get me wrong, capitalism has its own problems as well, a big one being corporatism and big companies having far more influence in political decisions. However I think capitalist is far more viable than communism or any other command economy. I would argue that instead of moving towards communism, it would be more beneficial to reform our system to get money out of politics so that big corporations dont have all the power. I would also call for serious reforms of the banking system as right now it only favours the rich getting richer. However, a full list of my suggested reforms on how to improve would be lenghty and would stray off your main question. Do PM though if you would like to discuss such issues further, I enjoy disccussions on such things..
Source(s): Finance student with an interest in philosophy and monetary and economic policy - Anonymous8 years ago
"Pure communism" would mean a nation or world where a state is no longer required, classes no longer exist, and resources are shared perfectly evenly among all.
That's great in theory, but it's not an attainable goal.
Edit: Heh, don't worry. There's a good reason you can't see my name, I don't have one.
What I mean is that, like IChee said, it would require a humanity ready to live in such a world, and I don't think we are yet. As a (very) long-term goal, communism is great, but for now, and probably for quite a while, we should focus on more moderate socialist goals. Taking power away from the ultra-rich and giving it to the people gradually. Trying to force communism on people has never turned out well. Capitalism needs to be taken out of power before we can even think of actual communism, the current powers-that-be won't allow it.
Edit2: I guess a better way to put it is, it's not an attainable goal right now, and won't be until we ease towards it. We can't just leap to it.
Edit 3: If you're still looking through this question, may I ask what country you're from, out of pure curiosity?
Source(s): Libertarian socialist - 8 years ago
The problems with pure communism are a lot like the problems with pure libertarian capitalism. Basically they are both utopian fantasies thought up by eloquent individuals who then go on to judge the present based on these pure speculative ideal societies. Of course the present turns out to be very imperfect (as does anything measured against perfection).
They then start justifying immediate political choices based on these utopian speculations, like cutting all welfare spending and deregulating everything then expecting the economy to magically improve, or forcing people into collective farming experiments against their will, or whatever. Usually, this sort of stuff makes things worse rather than better.
The fact of the matter is that pure communism is just a fiction. The principles of "to each according to their need, from each according to their ability", the elimination of alienation, war, oppression, the abolition of money, the state, classes, inequality, all sounds great. The problem is that it is an impossible dream and the consequences of trying to realize that dream have always been tyrannical.
It's better to take a measured approach and see what tangible and realizable goals can be achieved in the here and now (like nationalizing the finance industry next time it needs a bailout for example) and work up from there instead of wasting time chasing clouds.
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- Anonymous8 years ago
Funny that ! The Pilgrims used a communal system for many years after coming to America, out of necessity. A system which, we today, would view as communist.
Communism is actually the best system in the world BUT it has never really been tried.
The USSR and China, and other smaller countries that claim communism are actually fascist states
where a ruling class controls everything. ( USSR now is Russia as it was before and that State is no different ) Claiming Capitalism doesn't make Putin any less of a dictator !
Both socialism and communism work on a small scale but fail on a large scale because the "leaders"
take over the system.
- Anonymous8 years ago
Look at how even apolitical people are coming out against capitalism/corporatism nowadays. In the cyber world we have a free operating system that is much better than the capitalist windows. You can get almost everything for free on the internet. Culturally people are rejecting capitalism and promoting equality and welfare. Only ignoramuses and right wing nuts can complain about communism.
- ?Lv 45 years ago
The Sri Lankan undertaking has not something to do with Buddhism. it is political not non secular. CHINA is predominantly Buddhist nevertheless the government.is communist. it somewhat is not suppressing everybody perfect now. Mao replaced into an fool, not a Buddhist. The China Tibet undertaking is a political one, not a non secular one. There are extra Buddhists in China than Tibet. The Mao lifestyle has been phased out of China at present it somewhat is advertising Buddhism actively. additionally the Hindus never attacked the Buddhists -- the Muslims did. Sigh!
- Smoking JoeLv 78 years ago
It's not that it's not OK, it's just not very feasible, and hasn't worked once.
Real "communal" living and farming has resulted in millions of deaths in Russia and China - the stuff just didn't get where it was supposed to go.
- 8 years ago
You know why communism is not ok? Because it denies human nature. It denies the instinct to compete. It denies practically all values that have historically driven the human race.
Pure communism means no private property. Everything is owned collectively. This is in direct conflict with the instincts and natural inclinations of even children, and more so in adults. Marx and Engels had their pie in the sky utopian dream, but it is hobbled by the necessity of conveniently ignoring the utter imperfection of humanity.