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Do scientists know what time the earliest live in the universe may have formed?
I have been thinking about this lately. We wonder if there is life out there and if it is intelligent etc. But surely scientists could run a simulation that could give a general dating of how long it would take for intelligent life such as us to form in the universe and whether we are perhaps some of the earliest life at this complexity or billions of years late, it would really give an idea on what life we should expect out there. I know we would only be able to run a simulation that checks for life similar to ours but surely its possible.
Intelligent life would be inevitable in a planets life's evolutionary if it has the right conditions.
It would take a number of major variables to dictate the age at which intelligent life could form such as: -cooling down of universe
-Second generation stars (Contain solar systems)
- Time for planet to become suitable for life
- Time it takes for intelligent life to form from simple life
You would simply look for the earliest age of the variables and it would give some sort of estimation of life whether it be 6 billion years or the 13 billion years that it took us.
I feel that it seems like a question that scientists really should be asking
So does anyone know if this has been estimated?
I obviously was asking for a scientific explanation so the fact that you went out of your way to say that makes you a troll.
Sorry I think you misunderstood the question. I know about life on Earth (I'm majoring in Geology), I want to know about intelligent, complex life in the universe and whether we could potentially be at the forefront (as unlikely and ignorant it is to think so) of intelligent life in the universe or lagging far behind
@GLH That was my thought, that if they have had billions of years (or perhaps only millions since they revolutionized) then where are they? Perhaps we are too stupid for them to even consider talking to us. Or perhaps we are at the forefront in our area in the universe in terms of intelligence. Or maybe more disturbingly it may be inevitable for such a revolutionary species to kill itself off before it gets to a stage where galactic travel is viable. When I ask myself if we will be here like we are now in even a thousand years it seems hard to believe, let alone millions or billions. Maybe a species of our intelligence finds it too easy to kill itself off.
Would these models be any more unpredictable than weather modelling or climate modelling though?
There are variables such as
- The beginning of the universe (Set amount of time where conditions are unfavourable)
- Time before initial second generation stars
- Time for planets to become habitable
- And then the questionable one comes in (How streamlined can evolution be to get to us from a simple celled organism as quick as possible)
I understand that since we are the only intelligent life we know of then we have no point of reference. But we can always use the time it took us to evolve as an estimate on how long it would take another species. ( or if we were to follow scientific method, then perhaps we could still state it is this many years +/- (# million years evolution to us). Of course there will be uncertainty, but surely we could get a ballpark figure and from this get a probability of life forming 5bya or 4 bya etc
Of course I suppose using life on Earth alone can have o
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- Donut TimLv 78 years agoFavorite Answer
There is not much information concerning life in the entire universe. Only life on Earth is known.
From the evidence, life seems to have appeared on Earth as soon as it was cool enough to support it - over five billion years ago.
You may be correct about second generation stars and your timelines. It would seem entirely plausible for second generation stars to have had habitable planets a couple billion years earlier than ours.
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I've seen estimates on educational TV shows for possible life in the earlier universe, but they may not have been by scientists.
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- Erica sLv 78 years ago
The only life for which we have evidence is life on Earth. It began roughly 4 billion years ago, and the ludicrous claims of life having began in the year 4004 BC was an idea dreamed up in the 17th century. An Irish bishop called Ussher who added together the supposed ages of the prophets of the Old Testament and came up with that figure. In the 17th century, people had little else to go on anyway, so his suggestion was as good as anyone's. Nowadays we are better informed, and it does nobody any favors to repeat the claims of a 17th century preacher who's views are today disregarded by almost every Christian religion in the world. Regarding life not originating on Earth, we have as yet no evidence for it's existence, so any claims as to how advanced it might be are only speculation at best. If other intelligent life exists elsewhere in the Universe, there is no reason why it should not have sprung up a million years or a billion years before we came along or indeed it may just be getting started. As I said, all this is speculation, and as a scientist, I need evidence before accepting anything as fact.
- Midnite RamblerLv 78 years ago
In order to run a simulation you need facts.
We have no idea at present whether life does actually exist beyond Earth. Based on what we presently *think* we know about the number of planets that exist in the universe and how life gets started, there seems a good chance that there is life beyond earth but we have no idea how common it is likely to be or how easy it is for life to get going.
When you then factor in the evolutionary process all the way to intelligent life, there are simply too many unquantifiable factors to make any simulation realistic. Humans are here because of a whole range of lucky breaks and near-misses with extinction.
In short, all we have to go on is what we understand happened here on Earth - we have no idea how representative Earth is in terms of life in general and intelligent life in particular.
As far as how advanced we may be compared to other intelligent life in the universe then again all we can do is look at Earth's example. It took 4.5 billion years from the formation of the Earth for life to reach a stage that we rather smugly call "intelligent". Our Sun is not a first-generation star but formed from the remnants of an earlier star which exploded long ago. If you want to calculate how potentially old intelligent life could possibly be then you simply need to investigate how long ago the first solar systems formed which included Sun-like stars and Earth-like planets. Not at easy thing to do but the answer is likely to be in the billions of years.
This then raises another question... if intelligent life has possibly existed for billions of years then they must be so advanced that intergalactic travel would be easy for them... so where are they?
- 8 years ago
In a National Institutes of Health study, the authors hypothesize that if biological complexity increased exponentially during evolution, life in the universe may have begun "10 billion years ago"[8] - more than 5 billion years before the Earth existed.
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- ?Lv 48 years ago
Actually, one of the oldest civilisations in the universe is the Frondarian race on planet Frondar. They are so highly evolved that they are able to communicate with all forms of life, and despite being half mammal, half plant, they can also change the colour of their skin to blend into their surroundings.
The exact spacial location of this planet within our dimension is extremely difficult to pinpoint, it is best viewed by first jumping into Dimension Four, where it can be seen as Earth's counterpart. There are two possible ways of achieving this. One is to build an extremely expensive spacecraft and journey for billions of light years until crossing the Space-Dimension Chasm. The other is to visit Frondar using the mind (instructions below)
Source(s): http://planetfrondar.com/2012/02/24/entry-14-trave... http://happ.forumotion.com/t876-how-to-travel-to-p... - 8 years ago
Yes they have an educated idea of when life began here on earth. That will in time be more refined but to say any closer than a few million years is a very long time away and may never be.
Religions will give you a story about such things and never give facts to support thge story.
- koenenLv 45 years ago
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- DiscoverLv 48 years ago
As long as people like "created " take birth on earth u wont get answer to your Q.All these brainless creatures have to be wiped out by nature for an intelligent mankind to evolve on earth and find answer to your Q.
- PaulLv 78 years ago
We haven't yet found any evidence that intellighent life exists outside our universe. Since we don't know what form extra terrestrial life might take how can we know how long it would be before intelligent life can form. Any computer models will be based on so many unverified assumptions that they become no more useful than wild guesses.