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Jas Key asked in SportsMartial Arts · 8 years ago

How do you train weapon defense?

Do you train your techniques and sparring to prevent the opponent from being able to draw their weapon at all times, or do you assume they would already have the weapon drawn(since the attack is most likely to be an ambush) and train specific weapon defense techniques for drawn weapons.

Update:

Please note that I’m not asking for specific techniques used, but tactics and training methods.

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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago
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    Both.

    We start practice slowly, then we get faster and faster. We practice these techniques too much per se so that it becomes second nature.

    Guns... we use real guns, no rounds. We also do firearms training.

    As for knives we start with fake knives by cold steel, then we graduate to the real deal. Just slowly.

    Last as for knife defense we train realistically. We understand that in a a real knife attack the assailant will be trying to stab you 10 times in 6 seconds. Training against such scenarios is very hard at first.

    Hardest weapon to train against is the chain bc it is very unpredictable.

    Source(s): Martial Artist 13 yrs and counting.
  • 8 years ago

    There are so many ways to answer that question, and really the correct answer is "whatever you believe will work". You should be prepared to keep someone from drawing, to deal with someone who has drawn a knife or a gun, to fight without weapons against weapons, and to use a found weapon or a weapon you carry. If you don't have confidence that you will win (which can certainly happen if a non-idiot has a gun pointed at you), you may start fighting with your words and wits rather than with quickness and force, or simply finding the best way to flee.

    Frankly, a lot of the "if a guy has a knife and you don't, do this" types of lessons are so situational that your attacker would have to cooperate by attacking you in exactly the right way for them to work. I still wouldn't call them a waste of time though--that kind of practice could show you many types of wrong moves to avoid if you wound up in a real and inescapable situation like that.

  • Ymir
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    The training I had focused primarily on the threat: the human. Everything else was merely attached to the human.

    For example, if a police officer was in a wrestling range with a suspect, they would have to keep their left hand on their holster, to retain their weapon. Or at least that is a very popular training for POs.

    I trained to attack the opponent's arm. And if they were reaching for a holster, I would know where to hit even without using my eyes. The objective of keeping your weapon yours, was secondary not primary. The primary objective was destroying the enemy's brain or body.

    A person without usable arms or legs, cannot utilize weapons against you effectively. A person holding a gun that is brain dead, cannot track you and shoot you in the head multiple times. He is of no threat or little threat. Trying to grab the gun, disarm the knife, is meaningless when the enemy is still capable of reacting, counter attacking, defending.

    If the person is holding the gun to your forehead or the back of your head, threatening you. If you aren't dead already, you have a chance. But your chance is not to deflect the enemy's arms away from you and avoid the bullet. Your chance is to get rid of the gun's bullet vector, so it doesn't stop you from reaching the threat and terminating it. The bullet and gun is just "in the way"

  • Guts
    Lv 5
    8 years ago

    You could do some sumbrada drills if you have a partner but in reality there's really nothing you can do vs someone with a knife unless you have a knife, guy, or maybe dog lol

    Check out "die less often" by the dog brothers. I think you will find it interesting

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  • 8 years ago

    Actually, while many "real" self-defense types try to sell you the idea most violence will come at you in the form of an ambush... unless you're a soldier as part of an occupying force, that's not the reality most people face.

    The very vast majority of violence follows a pattern of escalation. (or as S.D. expert Mark MacYoung puts it: "The vast majority of violence comes with instructions on how to avoid it")

    If you're unaware of what the signals are, it may look like an ambush to you, but it rarely is. Muggers may come out of a dark alley, but that's about the only situation I can think of right off the top of my head. The correct answer is to give them your stupid wallet. They'll ask for it. (See - that too came with instructions on how to avoid the violence.)

    Anyway, even hardened criminals, as a general rule, don't suddenly start bashing your head in out of the blues. (Unless you're a gang member and they're looking at getting back at you for some perceived transgression. Best advice for that one: Don't join a gang).

    When these types of people start telling you: "You'd better leave, now...", those are the instructions and generally, it's darn good advice. Sticking around for ego reasons is what will get you attacked.

    Another thing to look out for is positioning. This is also a clear warning sign. If people start crowding around you in a way that's designed to prevent to block escape routes from you, that's a red light. People who are generally unaware of their surroundings might miss that one. The answer to that is: Don't let them. Get out of there.

    As for what you're asking specifically... I think people should be looking at scenarios that are likely to happen to them in their lifestyle. The good news is if your lifestyle actually makes you a high level target (such as the army, police or a gang), chances are they're already training you for what's likely to happen to you. For an ordinary citizen not going out of their way to look for trouble... sure, learning how to block weapons and so forth may certainly be a good idea for you, as it's always better to be prepared than not to be, I think obsessing over specific scenarios is only of limited utility: The fact is there are well over 1000 things reality can throw at you. Learn to block properly, learn take-downs, etc... But trying to train for everything that's out there... is kind of like trying to memorize the encyclopedia, IMO.

    Quite frankly, as far as not finding yourself the victim of crippling violence, I honestly think martial arts are somewhere down that list; if you're using your martial arts to avoid being hurt by violence, things have already gone terribly wrong. You want to "block" it way before that.

    In order, I'd go with:

    1) Lifestlye. If you're regularly coming across violent people who want to hurt you. Look at this one first. (Unless you're in the police or military and this is part of your job). If people regularly want to hurt you, it's probably time to take a good, hard look at your life and why you do the things you do.

    2) Good old fashioned manners, and treating people you come across with respect. People who follow that one don't get into street fights. They just don't. Some people who train in martial arts and see it as a license to be disrespectful to people because "hey! If he doesn't like it, I can handle him!" are actually making themselves less safe. Much better to know absolutely nothing about fighting and to know that when you step on a Hell's Angels' foot, a humble apology is in order.

    3) Awareness. I'm not suggesting you should be paranoid, but keep an eye out for your surroundings and what's going on.

    4) Martial arts and actual knowledge of how to handle yourself. Because by the time you get to (4), 1 to 3 have already gone wrong. It's a good thing to have in your toolbox, but don't look at it as the first line. It's the last.

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