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Why do Christians think that Jews 'believe' in God?
That is, God doesn't ask the People of Israel to believe in Him anywhere in the Torah, so why do non-Jews think Judaism is a faith-based 'religion'.
It seems all the answers in the first 20 minutes are missing the point.
God never asked the People of Israel to be believed in.
He didn't have to because they had witnessed the giving of the Torah at Mt Sinai.
Witness testimony is evidential proof accepted as fact, including in modern law practice, so there is no need to 'believe'.
For this reason Shma is NOT a statement of 'faith', but an affirmation of this factual knowledge passed down from generation to generation.
Abraham had not witnessed at Sinai, which is why he believed in God, which speaks volumes about him as a person.
But read my question. Because Jews have a passed-down tradition of a witnessed event which is evidence enough, why do others think they need to believe also?
Belief is falsifiable, evidence through witness testimony is not. Its philosophy 101.
Yet every Christian I have ever met seems to think I need to believe in something I already know.
The same question goes to scientific attempts
Aravah (removed), kaganate and DS M miss the point.
One is "a Jew because his mother is Jewish" BECAUSE the mother is expected to teach the children to KNOW there is God.
If a mother, or a father (hence Jacob and Benjamin) do not teach this, the individual lacks 'root knowledge' and rightly can declare "I don't believe in God" lacking EVIDENCE.
This is OK since ALL BELIEF IS FALSIFIABLE without evidence. "Falsifiability or refutability is the trait of a statement...whereby it could be shown to be false if some conceivable observation were true. In this sense, falsify is synonymous with nullify, meaning not "to commit fraud". Observation is proof of truth if witness testimony provides the evidence.
In Judaism this evidence is provided through witness testimony in written form, the Torah.
The Torah is not however a 'spiritual' document, or a 'bunch of stories', but a LEGAL DOCUMENT containing testaments of Moses and Josh
One is "a Jew because his mother is Jewish" BECAUSE the mother is expected to teach the children to KNOW there is God.
If not taught, the individual lacks 'root knowledge' and declares "I don't believe in God" lacking EVIDENCE.
Since ALL BELIEF IS FALSIFIABLE without evidence it is synonymous with the meaning not "to commit fraud" through perjury.
In Judaism this evidence is provided through a document, the Torah.
The Torah is not a 'bunch of stories', but a LEGAL DOCUMENT containing witnessed testaments of Moses and Joshua who wrote it, and an authenticity witness, the writer (sofer) who copied it by hand.
Those that "don't believe in God" reject ancestral witness testimony AND a major legal principle. They could be denied witnesses in a court of law, because witness testimony rejection through a PERSONAL SYSTEM OF BELIEF.
THIS is the principle behind the 'swearing on the Bible' from the Jewish court (bet
One is "a Jew because his mother is Jewish" BECAUSE the mother is expected to teach the children to KNOW there is God.
If not taught, the individual lacks 'root knowledge' and declares "I don't believe in God" lacking EVIDENCE.
Since ALL BELIEF IS FALSIFIABLE without evidence it is synonymous with the meaning not "to commit fraud" through perjury.
In Judaism this evidence is provided through a document, the Torah.
The Torah is not a 'bunch of stories', but a LEGAL DOCUMENT containing witnessed testaments of Moses and Joshua who wrote it, and an authenticity witness, the writer (sofer) who copied it by hand.
Those that "don't believe in God" reject ancestral witness testimony AND a major legal principle. They could be denied witnesses in a court of law, because witness testimony rejection through a PERSONAL SYSTEM OF BELIEF.
11 Answers
- AravahLv 78 years agoFavorite Answer
Jewish answer: that's pretty lame.
"Hear, O Israel, the Lord is your Gd, the Lord is One." that is the prayer said twice a day by Jews.
Sorry, it's actually hard to type because your assertion is so ludicrous as to be mind numbing. Exodus is about proving the Gd of Abraham and freeing the Jews from bondage and receiving the word of Gd.
When Moses brought the law to the Hebrews they said: "We obey, we hear" - note the order of that. They agreed to obey Gd before even hearing what He was insisting on.
Leviticus is the laws on how to live according to the word of the Gd of Abraham and HOW TO WORSHIP Him in the Temple
The ENTIRE Torah is faith based, faith that has led Jews to refuse assimilation, suffer oppression, massacres, resistance against forced conversions, exiles and the Holocaust because Jews refuse to abandon their worship of the Gd of Abraham as He instructed.
How strong would your faith be facing a gas chamber or firing squad?
Source(s): of course, one doesn't need to be psychic to predict this "question" is merely a rant and a "best answer" will be one that agrees with his ridiculous stance - kaganateLv 78 years ago
I don't think anyone who answered understood what you were saying.
Minor quips however --
Abraham first understood God through his own logic
This was not faith -- it was reasoning
Then he had several personal revelations of God.
Thus to follow your thread -- he did not have faith - he had personal knowledge
On the other hand, while our ancestors stood at Sinai,
we (modern Jews) did not have a personal revelation - we still require faith in our ancestral tradition.
Thus, while different from the Christian or Muslim faith in the missionaries and the book writers,
we DO need faith that our nation as a whole has transmitted the truth.
@Fitz - there was an initial national revelation and acceptance of the overal Sinaitic covenant.
Then the nation authorized Moses to go alone up the mountain to get the rest of the details.
Its all written up in there - take a look (I think in Exodus 19 or 20)
- FitzLv 78 years ago
Exodus 20:5
You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected--even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me.
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"God never asked the People of Israel to be believed in." -- My quote above says different.
"He didn't have to because they had witnessed the giving of the Torah at Mt Sinai." -- Only Moses saw this. He went up the mountain alone if you recall.
"Witness testimony is evidential proof accepted as fact, including in modern law practice, so there is no need to 'believe'." -- Only based on the reliability of the witness. Moses' reliabilitycannot be verified, in fact his very existence cannot be verified. It also speaks to nothing of science or history which is not validated by courts. They have no say. Some people insist the Earth is flat, does their testimony make it so?
"For this reason Shma is NOT a statement of 'faith', but an affirmation of this factual knowledge passed down from generation to generation." -- False conclusion.
"Abraham had not witnessed at Sinai, which is why he believed in God, which speaks volumes about him as a person." -- Abraham believed in god because god spoke to him. Same level of validity as Moses.
"Belief is falsifiable, evidence through witness testimony is not." -- Unless you can determine that person is lying. It's absolutely falsifiable. In fact, eyewitness testimony is the lowest form of evidence outside of a courtroom. Courtrooms do not determine reality.
"Yet every Christian I have ever met seems to think I need to believe in something I already know." -- You don't know it, you believe it. That's why it's called faith. If you knew it, you could prove it, and eyewitness testimony (as already mentioned) is not reliable evidence, it's just anecdotal.
- ?Lv 78 years ago
Seriously?
If they call Abraham the father of their faith, they believe. Read Genesis 12:1-9. Abraham met with, talked to and followed God. Genesis 15:6 says that Abram (Abraham) believed in, trusted, had faith in the Lord and He (God) counted it to him (Abraham) as righteousness. Some things just go without saying. This sounds like a case of straining at gnats while swallowing camels.
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- ?Lv 78 years ago
I think you are obtaining your main premise by restricting the notion of belief to instances in which that particular word turns up in whatever translation you're using. Also, it's unclear whether you are really restricting your basis to the Torah, which is only one part of the Hebrew scriptures.
You should consider reworking this question to make sense.
- starfishltdLv 58 years ago
I think most Christians believe the Jews worship the God of Abraham but don't believe Jesus is His Son...they're still waiting on the first coming of the Messiah. I know there are different sects of Jews and different viewpoint of Christians but I think this is a pretty good overview of Christian's understanding of the Jews.
- RuthLv 78 years ago
That's not true. He cared a great deal when the Israelites built the golden calf to worship.
They do believe in God!
- BreakthroughLv 78 years ago
It's an instructional religion and instruction cannot be maintained without validation, rapport or trust.
- ?Lv 78 years ago
He didn't? Yet God thumped them at times when they didn't trust him.
Maybe you didn't realize that they were past the belief part and into the confidence part already. You are still at square one, and they . . . well they didn't get too far passed square one either.
Some things just never change, right?
- wayfaroutthereLv 78 years ago
God asks them for their obedience and their obedience demonstrates their faith.