Jewish interest –Does my reading of Daniel’s book 7 seem sound?

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The other day one of the Christian Yahoo posters who call themselves “Messianic Jews” focused our attention on Daniel’s book 7 – and so I read it with more attention than usual – coming up with some very exciting details.
I will simply paraphrase – and you can look up the actual verses.
7:13
“one like a man comes flying through the clouds to stand before God”

God forbid anyone should say there is more than one God – thus this one is clearly not divine.

But likewise – he is not a man. He is “like a man” and flies through the clouds. 
Who is one that is not human but “like a man” and flies through the clouds –and moreover, the precise language is “like a son of a man” - clearly this is a reference to Kal El who is not human but is “like a man” and moreover very specifically “like a son” to the man Jonathan Kent.

Now – when it says in 13 that he comes before God, reading together with 7:9 – we see specificaly that he is presented before the throne of God.
And we know that “Throne of God” has two meanings –
“the throne, on which is written Yaakov” – ie: it is a reference to the Am Israel.
We see that Kal El was first presented to b’nei Israel (specifically to the two naviim Siegel and Shuster) in 1933 – precisely at the start of the great Hurban of Europe – as many of our modern sages have rightly noted - clearly the start of “the birthpangs of the moshiah” 

But a second (and probably more important meaning) – “the throne” is another term for the Shekhina.
And so, as revealed to the Novi, Peter David in 1996, this is a clear reference to Supergirl.

So – the prophesy is clear that Superman will first defeat the beasts described in the first verses of book 7 of Daniel, then he will join forces with Supergirl – and that will usher in the time of the Moshiah.

Thus, it is clear from Daniel that, though the Lubavich Hassidim were wrong in identifying rabbi Schneerson as the Moshiah, rabbi Schneerson was correct that we are most certainly in the time aproaching the days of Moshiah –
And the Moshiah will most certainly be a Comics writer or artist who will first publish the afore-mentioned Superman story and subsequently become the Prime Minister of Israel who will usher in the time of the perfection of the world.

Parentheticaly -- this, ofcourse, makes clear the error of those Christians who say that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah – as this prophesy of Daniel precludes the Messiah at any time before the revelation of Superman in 1933 and the subsequent revelation that the Shekhina descended upon Supergirl in the later 1990ies.

DS M · Accepted Answer

***Jewish interest –Does my reading of Daniel’s book 7 seem sound?***

***7:13 “one like a man comes flying through the clouds to stand before God”***

No, part of verse 13 does not sound like a whole verse let alone a whole chapter.

Clearly, Jews took Alexander the Great to be the Great spoken about in Daniel 6.

Daniel 7:  ***13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and he came even to the Ancient of days, and he was brought near before Him.  14  And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. *** 1

Here is something that runs over your theory ...***all the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.***

Clearly there is only one God that Jews would serve but you would demand Jews serve superman instead of God forever!  No, this isn't sound Jewish thinking.

So add to chapter 9 to 7
***And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and be no more; and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.  27  And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.'***  2

Is his dominion everlasting or cut off?  The scriptures say both are true.  You don't include either.

Clearly, if your interpretation is sound, your superman made a firm covenant before the end of the city, sanctuary, sacrifices and offerings..which hadn't been built when Daniel said this...You didn't include what your superman would put in his covenant that Jews would be one with all Gentiles serving your superman forever.

Clearly Jews believe the prophesy of Daniel was fulfilled by Alexander the Great be the Greek in chapter 6.

...And when he came, there was a city, Temple, and sacrifice in Jerusalem. So what you are saying is that when superman comes, he will re-establish the Temple and sacrifices, make a covenant, and then the city, Temple and sacrifices would be destroyed again followed by

..."the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment;"

Perhaps everything would line up more if the Messiah came after Alexander the Great and before the destruction of Jerusalem, Temple and sacrifices.  Just a thought.

***Thus, it is clear from Daniel that, though the Lubavich Hassidim were wrong in identifying rabbi Schneerson as the Moshiah, rabbi Schneerson was correct that we are most certainly in the time aproaching the days of Moshiah***

Please get out the paperwork that shows you have the right to represent all Judaism.

Judaism 101 says,
*** many people who call themselves Jews do not believe in that religion at all! More than half of all Jews in Israel today call themselves "secular," and don't believe in G-d or any of the religious beliefs of Judaism. Half of all Jews in the United States don't belong to any synagogue. They may practice some of the rituals of Judaism and celebrate some of the holidays, but they don't think of these actions as religious activities.*** 3

It is clear from this quote, all "secular" Jews disagree with you plus the Lubavich who believe Schneerson is the Messiah means you hold an minority view of the many radically different views of Judaism.

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kaganate,  I am glad you look to non-Jews to be your authority on Jewish matters!

Jewish Virtual Library:
***With the Roman conquest of Judea and subsequent Herodean rule, the office of high priest became a political tool in the hands of the administration, and until the destruction of the Temple was never to return to its earlier prominence.***  4

To imagine that "anointed one" would suddenly mean "a political tool of the Roman empire" means you believe  Gabriel was lying when he told Daniel,  'O Daniel, I am now come forth to make thee skilful of understanding.'

Jews that know Jewish history and believe the scriptures could never interpret the scriptures to have "anointed one" mean "the political tool of Rome before the destruction of the Temple."

When you don't deal with the contextual challenges of the Jewish scriptures and history against your interpretations, what do I need to say to further disprove your interpretation?

Anonymous · Answer

The book Jewish Literacy: The Most Important Things to Know About the Jewish Religion, Its People and Its History by Joseph Telushkin is definitely a must have. There is also a Judaism for Dummies book that gives a great overview of Jewish beliefs and customs.

Suckels Clown of Righteousness · Answer

It answer to does it seem sound the answer is yes but things are not always what they seem. It is really great to have an admission that what divides us is not what is in scripture (Tanakh) but what it means. As you pointed out often the question is is it literal or symbolic. The best comments I have heard from a Jew to a Christian missionary is "you've got your religion and I've got mine" and "my religion is older then yours". No one knows how to respond to that. The superman angle is interesting but not much more.

Chapter and Verse · Answer

Makes sense. Dude, my daughter was six in 1999. I watched kid shows with her all the time. I remember Sailor Moon and Barney and Full House and of course Sponge bob. She cried when Ernest Borgnine died. I told her my dad and I loved McHales Navy. Anyway, she's on her way over so we can score a sticker at the DMV but I doubt she brings her car title so we'll probably wind up going to get that then who knows?

Anonymous · Answer

Messiah and the Bride of Messiah:)

The angels have the phone box. · Answer

And blue lycra is clearly a foreshadowing of the Israeli flag....

Such details are tremendously important.

Zvi · Answer

It's certainly more sound than the Christian interpretations.

Agnostic Polytheist · Answer

What about Krypto, the dog?

And is The AntiChrist then Lex Luthor?

Hatikvah · Answer

Why hasn't someone brought this to our attention sooner!!!!!

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? · Answer

Oh. So you want to worship super heroes. That's just what I was telling that other guy.

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