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Who is the 4th member of the Trinity?

I know tri = 3, but there must be 4 members of the Trinity because God is a Trinity, and the Trinity is God.

The Trinity is the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

But what I am asking is this: Who is the other Son of God, the one who is the 4th member of the Trinity.

I know there is one because keeping in mind that the Trinity = God, we read in John 3:16 that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son.” We also learn from this that since the Trinity, God, gave his only begotten Son, there must be 2 only begotten Sons.

Apparently, both of these only begotten Sons are named “Jesus Christ.”

We can determine that this is the case because in John 17:3, one of these “Jesus Christs” is praying to God (the Trinity) and calls him, who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, “the only true God” and says that he sent forth Jesus Christ.

Since Jesus Christ is the Son of God and also as part of the Trinity is “God the Son” then this must be a different Jesus Christ.

We further note that John 1:1 tells us “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

So, the Word (or Son) was WITH the Trinity (God) but the Word WAS the Trinity. (God)

So the Word must be the 4th member of the Trinity.

WAIT! If the 4th member of the Trinity was the Trinity, there must now be a 5th member was with God, the Trinity!

Just how many members are there to this Trinity?

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  • Elijah
    Lv 7
    8 years ago
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    Despite the many comments you received to the contrary, you really are on to something!

    Yes, this is exactly the type of 'reasoning' that Trinitarians are forced to rely on. This is because "Neither the word Trinity, *nor the explicit doctrine as such*, appears in the New Testament, nor...in the Old Testament." - The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 1985, Micropedia, vol. 11, p. 928.

    Trinitarians themselves admit that "The Trinity...is an INFERRED doctrine, gathered ECLECTICALLY from the entire Canon". - page 630 of the highly trinitarian publication, Today's Dictionary of the Bible, Bethany House Publishers, 1982

    Yes, by employing Trinitarian's exact same 'reasoning', with a little research and imagination, virtually anyone in the Bible can be rationalized as being God.

    You may enjoy the following links to great papers outlining RIDICULOUS examples (and are intended to be ridiculous) to "prove" such a "doctrine". But they are excellent examples of precisely the TYPE of reasoning and "evidence" that is the SOLE support for the trinity doctrine.

    Trinitarian-type "Evidence"

    http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/08/tr...

    David and the 'Holy' Quadrinity

    http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/09/da...

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    First up, what part of the word "only" do you not understand.

    Only = 1

    Secondly, the bible does not EVER use the word "trinity"

    Therefore, I know for a fact that the bible does not say that Jesus prayed to the trinity.

    Jesus is God

    The father is God

    The Holy Spirit is God

    Therefore Jesus can both be God and be with God and pray to God.

    I suppose you find paradoxes difficult to understand?

    Poor you...

  • rac
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    First, there is no trinity. There is a Godhead comprised of three people, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. They are three separate and distinct individuals. They are one in the sense that they are unified in purpose, one heart and one mind. God, the Father, is in charge. He is the President, if you want to think of that way and the other two are his Vice-Presidents, or counselors in that Godhead. The Father put the Son in charge of this world and thus Jesus constantly said that He did nothing other than what the Father directed Him to do. When Jesus left, He sent the comforter, the Holy Ghost, to be with His apostles to comfort, reveal and guide them in the work of the Father.

    The Word is Jesus, the second member of the God head. He was with the Father in the beginning and the Father sent Him here to be our Savior. Jesus prayed to His Father, who was in Heaven while He, Jesus, was here on earth.

    If you change your perspective, it all makes sense, no confusion. There are only three and they are all separate and distinct.

    Source(s): my LDS opinion
  • ?
    Lv 5
    8 years ago

    The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods.

    Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God.The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God.

    To my knowledge there is no 4th member.

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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Trinity = 3 not 4.

  • Tim
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    The word "Trinity" does not appear in the Bible.

    Scripture does not call anyone aside from Jesus as part of the Triune (just to throw another theological term out there) God. There are references to "children of God" and "Son of God", but this is in reference to mankind's position as adopted children of God, not part of God. Only The Son, Jesus, is eternal and one with God.

    Additionally, you appear to be confusing metaphor for literal description. Jesus is called The Word, but also The Shepard, The Lamb of God, and various other metaphors and titles. Thus, The Word is what John called Jesus in his pre-incarnate form, similar to other Christophanies

    http://www.gotquestions.org/theophany-Christophany...

    Though not canon, I think the Westminster Confession of Faith provides a good summary of Christian orthodoxy on the point of the Trinity and provides supporting Scripture references for further study

    http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/

  • 8 years ago

    You are very confused. Jesus Christ was Himself God in human form, and the Holy Spirit is another manifestation of God, so there is only ONE God. The Holy Trinity is those three. Jesus was known under various titles by the Jews, such as "Son of God" and Son of Man". It must have been difficult for them to grasp the enormity of it, but we are helped by the New Testament.. Even so, there is so much that we have to accept by faith. May the Lord Jesus help you in your searching.

  • Ralph
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    The fact of the matter is there is only God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit, One God, Three persons, Called the Trinity, there is only one God but there are 7 spirits of God, read Revelation, im just paraphrasing it.

    Source(s): king james holy bible
  • 8 years ago

    1 John 5:7 (KJV)

    7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

    The Godhead consists of three primary roles: (Father, Son and His Spirit) while the "Trinity" is a man-made doctrine which separates each into "persons" (which completely contradicts this understanding in that, it implies three separate entities).

    Water has even been used to explain the Trinity to me, as it can assume three different forms: liquid, solid and vapor (which only reaffirms our understanding while contradicting their own).

    If one entity assumes three different forms, that doesn't make them three separate entities - but merely One Who performs in three different offices. So the main question one must ask themselves is; how many Gods do we really serve?

    To simplify; I'm a son, a brother and an uncle. While each role serves a different function, I'm still the same individual.

    The term "monotheistic" isn't a bad term at all - in fact, it defines the belief in ONE God and one God only. However, Trinitarians are quick to label those of us who deny their polytheistic doctrine for a pure, monotheistic understanding.

    Call it an "oxy-moron", but while most Christians also believe in one God, they also believe in the doctrine of the Trinity which is literally comprised of three separate entities. Again, how many Gods do we serve? One or three? (John 1:1-5, 10-14).

    You must first better understand how Trinitarians understand the Godhead. As the majority of Christians today hold true to this understanding, they're appalled by the notion of one God filling three separate offices or roles.

    This is otherwise referred to as "modalism":

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/modalism

    Meanwhile, they completely ignore all the roles Satan has played in the past (or will play in the future). Is Satan more than one entity? He has plenty of titles throughout the Word, but that doesn't make him anymore than just himself.

    Three separate persons denotes three separate entities which implies three separate gods - which well defines polytheism. Yet, such who believe in this false teaching have the nerve to judge us because we retain monotheism at it's core.

    What's left of monotheism after the "trinity doctrine" is removed from consideration; is modalism (the monotheistic belief in one God Who assumes different roles or functions).

    It's so simple to understand if only one chooses to have an open mind about it. But many are so heavily indoctrinated that they won't until the change at His return.

    Source(s): The Bible and help from a friend. Brevity and http://www.theseason.org/ an http://www.youtube.com/user/JustThoughtsstudies/vi...
  • ?
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    first of all do not think that the trinity is True in any respect. so the actual number is not "3".

    and knowing this to be true, the actual number could be hundreds of millions, or as many sons of God that overcame all things and whom were invited to sit on thrones of judgement in the name of God.

    see rev 3:21; 21:7. kjv.

    personally the bible never says God and Jesus are the same being, in fact the new testament says Jesus is given life "separate" from the Father. and then it says all the sons of God shouted for joy. the new testament talks of a godhead and this godhead might harbor all the angels of God, or it might be restrictive to only those offspring of God who become "sons of God". im sure the number of sons of God is quite less than actual angels. even if we are all called children of God, i.e. except for those called sons of perdition.

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