Abdijah

Think about this: According to evolution life began as "simple" one-celled life forms, over time which began to multiply and divide into multi-celled life forms.

Today we have sexual reproduction as well. For this to take place there must be a male and a female, each one providing genetic material which must be comatible with the other, and which must combine in order to produce offspring.

There must also be a male delivery system and a COMPATIBLE female receiving system in order for the 2 sets of genetic material to combine. Then there must be a hospitable incubation location so the newly formed offspring can grow to a certain level of maturity allowing it to live outside of its incubator.

Now, consider: From the one celled and multi celled life forms which reproduced by multiplying and dividing, there had to be 2 different lines of evolution occurring simultaneously to form the male and female parents that would be compatible with each other to be able to form the offspring, BUT in the meantime they had to each keep reproducing asexually while their sex organs and related functions were evolving.

What allowed compatible sexual beings to evolve; and how did they manage to reproduce while they were evolving? Also, until they actually reached a stage where they were able to reproduce with each other, these sexual functions were useless, but evolution teaches that characteristics that promote survival are carried on to the next generation. Until they became functional, these organs did nothing to promote survival or to perpetuate the species.

This simple statement seems so much more logical, especially taking into consideration that the simplest solution which fits all the facts is most often the correct solution: “And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.” (Genesis 1:27)

I know tri = 3, but there must be 4 members of the Trinity because God is a Trinity, and the Trinity is God.

The Trinity is the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

But what I am asking is this: Who is the other Son of God, the one who is the 4th member of the Trinity.

I know there is one because keeping in mind that the Trinity = God, we read in John 3:16 that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son.” We also learn from this that since the Trinity, God, gave his only begotten Son, there must be 2 only begotten Sons.

Apparently, both of these only begotten Sons are named “Jesus Christ.”

We can determine that this is the case because in John 17:3, one of these “Jesus Christs” is praying to God (the Trinity) and calls him, who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, “the only true God” and says that he sent forth Jesus Christ.

Since Jesus Christ is the Son of God and also as part of the Trinity is “God the Son” then this must be a different Jesus Christ.

We further note that John 1:1 tells us “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

So, the Word (or Son) was WITH the Trinity (God) but the Word WAS the Trinity. (God)

So the Word must be the 4th member of the Trinity.

WAIT! If the 4th member of the Trinity was the Trinity, there must now be a 5th member was with God, the Trinity!

Just how many members are there to this Trinity?

Why does the KJV render the word “מוצאה” (mowtsa'ah) which means “origin” as “goings forth”?

The King James Version of Micah 5:2 reads: “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

This is a prophecy about Jesus, and it says that his “whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

The Hebrew word “מוצאה” (or mowtsa'ah) literally means “origin.” Why do they translate it as “goings forth”? Are they attempting to hide the fact that Jesus actually has a beginning, an origin? (See also Colossians 1:15.)

Is this another example of trinitarian bias?

This is a more accurate rendering:

“And you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.” (NWT)

“And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: ‘The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.’” (Revelation 11:15, NWT)

Or the KJV renders it as: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.’”

I am particularly interested in the phrase “of our Lord and of his Christ.”

Who is our Lord?

Who is his Christ?

In the King James of 1611 or 1769, we read in Luke 1:31, 32 -

"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David."

So we see Jesus was to be called the "Son of the Highest." And who is the Highest?

Still using the King James of 1611 or 1769, let's look at Psalm 83:18, which answers that question:

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."

SO: How (for those who believe this) can you still say that Jesus and Jehovah are the same?

Christian tombs from prior to 70 CE (AD) have been discovered. Here is a brief excerpt from one article:

"Tabor noted that the epitaph's complete and final translation is uncertain. The first three lines are clear, but the last line, consisting of three Greek letters, is less sure, yielding several possible translations: "O Divine Jehovah, raise up, raise up," or "The Divine Jehovah raises up to the Holy Place," or "The Divine Jehovah raises up from [the dead]."

"This inscription has something to do with resurrection of the dead, either of the deceased in the ossuary, or perhaps, given the Jonah image nearby, an expression of faith in Jesus' resurrection," Tabor said."

You will have to read the entire article for all the details, but I thought that was interesting.

SOURCE:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-tomb-explorati...

I have read the many passages you use that you claim support the trinity, but I have NEVER heard or read any explain how the trinity can be factual in light of what Jesus said in John 17:3, where he makes a clear distinction between "Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" AND "thee the only true God."

KJV: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

NWT: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”

Awaiting an intelligent response.

It contains the following articles:

Are All “Christians” Christian?

“Remain in My Word”

“No Part of the World”

“Have Love Among Yourselves”

“I Have Made Your Name Known”

“This Good News of the Kingdom Will Be Preached”

Should You Trust Your First Impressions?

Modern-Day Aztecs Become True Christians

Learn From God’s Word—How Should We Remember Jesus’ Death?

Did You Know?

Draw Close to God—“The Former Things Will Not Be Called to Mind”

What Is Wrong With Spiritism?

Our Readers Ask . . . Is the Trinity a Bible Teaching?

A Letter From Russia

A Look at Colors and Fabrics in Bible Times

Teach Your Children—“He Kept Sticking to Jehovah”

How Do You View Jesus?

I am especially anxious to read these:

Are All “Christians” Christian?

“Remain in My Word”

“No Part of the World”

“Have Love Among Yourselves”

“I Have Made Your Name Known”

“This Good News of the Kingdom Will Be Preached”

Draw Close to God—“The Former Things Will Not Be Called to Mind”

Our Readers Ask . . . Is the Trinity a Bible Teaching?

Teach Your Children—“He Kept Sticking to Jehovah”

How Do You View Jesus?

Even though these rumors have proven over time to be false time and again, still they circulate. Not only that, many are gullible enough to actually believe them.

I am still hearing that we are "eliminating the postion of Circuit Overseer." Check out this "question" from 3 years ago which still has not come true:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200809...

It says: "And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears." (KJV)

If Jesus and the holy spirit are also God, how does the spirit of himself come to be on himself?

How does he gain understanding from himself?

The link below is to an interview on Public Radio with Terrance Howard, host of the PBS series "Independent Lens." (That is the series that aired the program "Knocking" about Jehovah's Witnesses.)

In this interview of just under 12 minutes, Mr. Howard talks about Jehovah's Witnesses, why he would like to be one, why he isn't, as well as other information. It is really quite interesting.

Would you like to hear this in his own words?

This link is audio only.

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/ylbxnwtlch--Ter...

Question # 1: IF God is a trinity, then how is it that “the Word was WITH God.”? (John 1:1, 2) How can the Word - Jesus - be WITH God if God is a trinity and Jesus is part of that trinity?

Question # 2: IF God is a trinity, what did Jesus mean by speaking of himself AND the only true God as distinct from one another when he said in John 17:3, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”? (KJV)

Matthew 5:5 - "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."

Psalm 37:9-11, 29 - "For evildoers themselves will be cut off, But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth. And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. – The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it."

Proverbs 2:21, 22 - "For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it."

What do these passages mean as they relate to your beliefs about our heavenly destiny?

Thank you.