IF Jesus is Jehovah, how can these passages be reconciled?

Let's reason on the facts:

The Bible consistently says that there is one true God and always points this reference to one person -- The Father. (John 17:1,3; 1Corinthians 8:6)

The Bible says that Jesus' Father is also his God as well as his followers' Father and God. (John 20:17; 1Peter 1:3) Therefore, Jesus' Father has to be THE Father who is the only true God. Since the Father and the Son are different persons (as even Trinitarians are forced to acknowledge), and since only the Father is God, Jesus logically cannot be God, for then the Father would not be the ONLY true God as per Jesus' words at John 17:3.

Jesus said that his Father -- therefore, The Father, the only True God -- is the God that the Jews professed to worship. (John 8:54) The Bible makes it clear that the God of Jews is named YHWH (Jehovah in English). (Exodus 3:15,18) Therefore since The Father is Jehovah and the Father is not the Son, Jehovah cannot be Jesus.

Anything to the contrary is pure dishonesty and stupidity in the name of blind loyalty to false religious tradition.

Jesus Christ is the Creator God. Not only does Scripture affirm it,but during His earthly life and ministry He did the very things we would expect the Creator God to do. He did them in the way that we would expect the Creator God to do them—by His word of authority and the exercise of His will. And the doing of them displayed His glory.

Jesus said that His Father sent Him (John 14:24) and that the Spirit was sent by both the Father (John 14:26) and the Son (John 15:7). This also points to distinct centres of consciousness within the one God.

He is the Creator (Colossians 1:16–17).

He has the ability to forgive sins (Luke 7:47–50) and judge all people (John 5:27).

He sends forth the Holy Spirit (John 15:26).

He accepts worship (Hebrews 1:6, Matthew 14:33).

He is called ‘Lord’ (Romans 10:9) where ‘Lord’ (kurios) is a translation of the Old Testament Yahweh (= God). (Romans 10:13 cites Joel 2:32 which makes this clear.

‘the true God, the great One, the mighty One, Jehovah of armies being his name.’ Then say to the Witness that as Jesus is the ‘Mighty God’, and Jehovah is the ‘Mighty God’, who must Jesus be? (Let him reach the conclusion himself that Jesus and Jehovah are one—as John 10:30 says.)

And He is identified with the ‘Alpha and Omega’ and the equivalent ‘the first and the last’ (Revelation 1:8, 17–18, cf. Isaiah 44:6).

In the Old Testament, He is the Child who is called ‘Mighty God’ and ‘Everlasting Father’ (Hebrew is literally ‘Father of Eternity’, meaning ‘Author of Eternity’) (Isaiah 9:6, cf. 10:21) He would be born in Bethlehem, yet His ‘goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.’ (Micah 5:2)

You need not believe in the ancient doctrine of the trinity to visualize Jesus position with the father.

Reconciling Genesis where God essentially says to his 'son', we are God and lets make mankind in our likeness or image.

If you take that evidence and couple it with Hebrews chapter 1. You cannot even suggest that Jesus or the Word is an angel of any sort. Yet jw do so without the slightest biblical proof. So where does that leave any honest attempt to answer your question?

To date no proof has been presented that convinces me that God is a trinity of God's. But from reading scripture it is very easy for me to accept this interpretation:

Any jw or former knows that they must keep Jesus subjugated under the GOD FATHER Jehovah. For some reason they cannot fathom how an original God Almighty, could pull from his own loins loins (so to speak) a SON GOD that was the EXACT same substance and abilities as father God. Evidence that Jehovah God allowed his SON of his own loins to actually CREATE EVERYTHING. Which in and of itself then eliminates his 'SON' from being one of the angels. Hebrews 1.

Your example does not go far enough, the bible tells us in the first two chapters just where this SON GOD or Word stood with his father. Father God said simply stated "let us make man in OUR image", could he have said it any clearer? Not the angels image, but us OUR image God's image.

All the scriptures that jw use to subjugate Jesus as somehow not a REAL God or one that should be worshiped, were spoken by Jesus while in the flesh and blood body of a man. Of course he was less than GOD he was a man!

There is no question about it, Jehovah's Witnesses have twisted scripture to uphold a doctrine so convoluted that they must deny what Hebrews chapter 1 clearly says about GODS SON not being any sort of angel. They will not comment on that chapter, ignorance is much more acceptable when it comes to trying to uphold what Watchtower men have decided who GOD HIMSELF is.

To answer your question FATHER God sent SON God (exact same makeup) as a ransom. A ransom that FATHER knew would be paid without a doubt. Could FATHER God have any confidence in an angel or mere man to follow through without a hitch? Angels were the first to rebel, man was next. The only assurance that the price was paid had to come from GOD's loins.

The trinity is just a word, means nothing in reality. What does mean something is that at one time the only substance or body was God the father, then he pulled from his own substance another God substance know as his Word, his son. That is all we need to know. Jesus is not a God but God (President, thanks biblech) himself.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then

shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father

hath taught me, I speak these things. 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the

Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 8:31 Then said Jesus to

those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my

disciples indeed; 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make

you free.

John 17:1-26, In a prayer to his Father, he says all that is here!

Matt.28:18-20; All power on heaven and earth given to Jesus by the giver.

John 20:17; Jesus ascends to his God and Father, Acts 2:27-35; To God's right

hand.

Revelation 1:1-3, 5, 3:14, given to Jesus by God.

Gen.22:14; Exo.6:3, 17:15; Judges 6:24; Psm.68:4; 83:18, for Solomon to build

a temple for God's name, they had to know it.

Isa.12:2; 26:4. Now that the KJV bible is over 300 years old, for the time of the

end, the name of the God and Father of Jesus as translated is right to use.

Sure Jesus is one with his Father, in agreement, in harmony and full honor, he

is an example for us, Rom.14:9-12. Jesus came to save the world, the world is

the offsprings of Adam, 1Cor.15:22-28,51-53, when this is done he is just

another son.

Yes. God's name is not 'Jesus' - that is the name of God's Son. So by knowing God's personal name - JEHOVAH, it is clear that Jesus and God are two distinct and separate individuals. In Hebrew, God's name appears as four consonants. These consonants are transliterated YHWH and are known as the Tetragrammaton. 'Jehovah' is a rendering of God's name that has been recognized for centuries. In the original Hebrew text, the name appears nearly 7,000 times.

The teaching that Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament certainly exists, but the Bible plainly shows otherwise. Consider just a few scriptures:

First, God *alone* is Jehovah:

"That they may know that thou ALONE, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) - ASV.

Next, the Father is identified as Jehovah (not the Son):

"But now, O Jehovah, thou art OUR FATHER; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand." (Isaiah 64:8)

The Father (Jehovah) is the God *of* the Messiah:

"So that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Rom. 15:6) - NASB.

"Only" the Father (Jehovah) is God Alone:

"FATHER, .... 3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." (John 17:1, 3) - NASB.

"Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." (1 Corinthians 8:6) - RSV.

"Hallowed Be Your Name"—What Name?

http://www.watchtower.org/e/na/article_01.htm

What Does the Bible Say About God and Jesus?

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Word of God reveals that Jesus is the Son of God, not Jehovah God himself.

Concerning his relationship to his Father, Jesus explained: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28, NW) Jesus condemned hypocrisy; yet what glaring hypocrisy he himself would be guilty of if he had been Almighty God garbed in flesh! Jesus was not God himself, because even in his prehuman existence he was a created spirit called “the Word.”

The Word was a mighty spirit creature and as such may properly be called “a god” but not “the God.” Hence an accurate translation of John 1:1 (NW) reads: “Originally the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

This scripture does not say that the Word always existed. Only Jehovah God is “from everlasting to everlasting.” There was a time when the Word was created. Jesus gave true facts concerning himself at Revelation 3:14, where he said: “These are the things the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.”

When God’s “firstborn” came to earth, the life force of the Word was transferred from heaven to the egg cell in the womb of Mary. This meant that the Word had to lay aside his his spirit life. This he did: “Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.

Jesus was truly made flesh. His apostle John writes: “So the Word became flesh and resided among us.” When the Word “became flesh” he was no longer a spirit creature. Indeed, he had to be a man in the real sense to fulfill this scripture:

“We behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honor.” If Jesus had been a God-Man, he could not have been really “lower than angels.”

Nor is it reasonable to think that the great Sovereign of the universe, of whom it is written that “at no time has anyone beheld God,” would take up human form and be “lower than angels.”

So what have we learned? (1) The Council of Chalcedon, instead of rejecting the bad, mixed the error that Jesus was God with the truth that he was man, thus winding up with “distilled nonsense”

(2) Jesus in his prehuman existence was not God but God’s Son, “the beginning of the creation by God”; (3) Jesus had to be a real man, not a God-Man, to be “lower than angels”; (4) if Jesus had been a spirit masquerading in human flesh, there would have been no need for him to be born a baby, and (5) to provide the ransom sacrifice Jesus had to die a perfect man, nothing more, nothing less.

The inevitable conclusion is that God’s Word does not teach that Jesus was a God-Man. It teaches that on earth he was a perfect man, a perfect human organism. Those who teach that he was a God-Man teach false religion. They violate the rule set down by the apostle of Christ: “Do not go beyond the things that are written.”

The Lord has many names. His name is above all the rest. One of Jesus' names is Jehovah. God is Jesus. Jesus is God. When Jesus was on the earth, He was God in the flesh. The Bible says that Jesus was fully man and fully God. I don't understand why this is so hard to believe...

Example:

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name George Bush Jr. He shall be...er, mediocre, and shall be called the Son of the President of the United States: and the Lord God shall give unto him the Presidency of his father George Bush Sr..

So we see George Bush Jr. is called "son of the President of the United States". According to your logic, it is therefore impossible for George Bush Jr. to be President of the United States.

But he was.

And the reason it is logically possible is because "President of the United States" is more than one person - ****just**** as God is more than one person.

- Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com/

P.S. More than a good try, I logically demonstrated how it could be true, answering the question asked. You brought up additional details not mentioned in the question and which I (therefore, naturally) did not address in my answer. The answer to your question is this: the passages are logically reconciled if God is more than one person - which is, of course, what all "trinitarian" Christians believe. That is what my answer - as clearly stated - explains by example. The example is not intended to explain anything other aspect or characteristic of God, nor is my answer intended to do so.

That's true. Many know it is, but just don't want to except it. Mainly because, Satan has blinded there minds to the truth. 2 Corinthians 4:4. It's very obvious that Jehovah is higher than Jesus.

An omnipotent being can have an avatar or aspect of its being that is its own son. John 1:1 explains this, the concept in Christianity derives from its Gnostic origins. Imaginary magical beings like Yahweh can do anything, they aren't bound by making sense.

The Bible, like all holy books, is full of contradictions. Even if you have the wacky edited JW version.