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Atheist: How would answer this ONE of many prophecies from Scripture?
Dan 8:3-8 tells what will take place by a vision....
Daniel 8:20-22 “The ram that you saw possessing the two horns [stands for] the kings of Me′di•a and Persia. 21 And the hairy he-goat [stands for] the king of Greece; and as for the great horn that was between its eyes, it [stands for] the first king. 22 And that one having been broken, so that there were four that finally stood up instead of it, there are four kingdoms from [his] nation that will stand up, but not with his power.
Imagine, I tell you that the U.S.A. will be overthrown by China. That is no small prediction. The probability is high. NOW, I add that China will be overtaken by Vietnam. You would think that I was CRAZY!
This is exactly what Daniel did here. He not only said that Media and Persia would conquer Babylon, but Greece would OVERTAKE them. AND, the "great horn" broken in four, representing four kingdoms, being Alexander the Great FOUR generals that took over after his early demise.
Alexander has plans to rebuild Babylon with it as his capital city. What happened? A mosquito bite.
Isaiah 13:20 She will never be inhabited, nor will she reside for generation after generation. And there the Arab will not pitch his tent, and no shepherds will let [their flocks] lie down there.
Elegua - That is what they used to say, until the Dead Sea Scrolls and archeology findings dated these books to be written at the time the Bible says they were written. Once upon a time, that would have been accepted. Not now.
As to HOW I know that's what these horns and beasts stood for........that is what was preserved in Bible!
As for many of the others here, in the words of your Lord, Richard Dawkins "LALALALALALALA!" (with your fingers in your ear) LOL!
Ptolemy gained Egypt
Lysimachus ruled Thrace and Asia Minor
Seleucus got Syria, Mesopotamis, and Persia
Cassander took Macedonia and Greece
So, you and whoever thumbed YOU up, didn't pay attention in history.
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- bob7777Lv 78 years agoFavorite Answer
Your question, while a good one, is one the atheists will refuse to consider. Why? There is no one wuite so blind as one who will not see. What to do? Ask them to explain Jesus prophecy in Luke 19.
"43 Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification+ with pointed stakes+ and will encircle+ you and distress+ you from every side, 44 and they will dash you and your children within you to the ground,+ and they will not leave a stone upon a stone+ in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.”____Luke 19:43, 44
Why this one? Jesus spoke of this in 33 CE. Rome attacked and sacked Jerusalem in 70 CE. The Romans bragged about how they built a siege works of pointed stakes, denuding a large area of trees in the process. Then they built a famous arch in Rome to commemorate what they had done. Invite atheists to go to Rome and view the Arch de Triumph for themselves.
But they still wont believe you. They have hardened their hearts and cannot see or seek truth, publicly.
Privately a few will. I used to be one.
Source(s): Holy Bible nwt - Maurog IVLv 78 years ago
"For nearly two millennia, the principal view of both Jewish and Christian scholars has been that the book of Daniel was written by Daniel during the sixth century BCE, considering it as containing prophecy of western political history and an eschatological future. However, since the Age of Enlightenment, critical scholarship of the Bible, taking a cue from third century pagan critic Porphyry, views the Book of Daniel as a pseudepigraph dated around 165 BCE that concerns itself primarily with the Maccabean era and the reign of the Seleucid king Antiochus Epiphanes. Although the book had been historically classified as prophetic, the style of writing is now considered apocalyptic which was popular between 200 BCE and 100 CE."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel#Autho...
So basically, post hoc prophecy. I can do that too. Want me to predict World War 2 and how the allies will defeat Hitler? I can do it with goats and rams if you want.
Source(s): Babylon is inhabited by the way. The site is open to tourism. "No Arab shall pitch his tent" is not even remotely true. - ANDRE LLv 78 years ago
By saying, correctly, that it's all written after the fact bullsh*t.
Oh, and while it's not impossible that China may, at some point in the future, overtake the US on a national economic level, that day isn't soon, and on a military basis, that day is even farther off.
In biblical times, there were many nations all jockying for position. Someone as going to win, at least for a while, after which someone else would be on top. No one need be a psychic to figure that out.
- Anonymous8 years ago
Two horns huh? So because someone had a bad trip on mushrooms 4,000 or so years ago you know the future? The rantings of madmen can be interpreted to mean anything. Maybe the hairy he goat stands for a nice spicy curry goat!
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- mov ah, 4chLv 68 years ago
Except that Greece was much closer to China now... except that there never were 4 kingdoms after Alexander, his empire was split into 3 pieces, with Pontus and Parthia being their own kingdoms. So... this prediction was off.
- 8 years ago
The ram and the male goat. In the vision Daniel received two years later (Da 8:1), the powers represented by the two symbolic beasts involved are clearly named. The kingdom of Medo-Persia is here pictured as a male sheep (a ram) having two horns, the taller horn coming up afterward. History shows that the Medes first were the stronger, and the Persians thereafter gained the ascendancy, though both peoples remained united in a dual power. A he-goat, moving very fast across the earth, symbolized the world power of Greece. (Da 8:3-8, 20, 21) The prophetic vision shows that the goat’s “great horn” located between its eyes, representing the first king, was broken “as soon as it became mighty,” and four kingdoms resulted, though of inferior strength. (Da 8:5, 8, 21, 22) The rapid conquest of the Medo-Persian Empire by Alexander has already been commented on, as well as the division of his kingdom among four of his generals.
It is worthy of mention here that the same nation or its rulers may be represented by different animal symbols in different prophecies. Thus, the kings of Assyria and Babylon are represented by lions at Jeremiah 50:17, while at Ezekiel 17:3-17 the rulers of Babylon and Egypt are pictured by great eagles. Ezekiel elsewhere likens Egypt’s Pharaoh to a “great sea monster” lying in the Nile canals. (Eze 29:3) Hence the fact that Medo-Persia and Greece are represented by certain symbolisms in Daniel chapter 8 does not eliminate the possibility of their being represented by other symbolisms in the earlier vision (Da 7) nor in subsequent prophecies.
The seven-headed wild beast out of the sea. In the vision had by the apostle John and recorded at Revelation 13, a seven-headed, ten-horned wild beast comes up out of the sea, leopardlike, yet p. 270with feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. It is thus a composite form of several of the symbols appearing in Daniel’s vision of the four beasts. The dragon, identified at Revelation 12:9 as Satan the Devil, gives the beast its authority and power. (Re 13:1, 2) This beast’s seven heads (bearing ten horns) distinguish it from the one-headed beasts of Daniel’s vision. Seven (and ten) are commonly acknowledged as Biblical symbols of completeness. (See NUMBER, NUMERAL.) This is corroborated by the extent of this beast’s domain, for it exercises authority, not over one nation or a group of nations, but “over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.” (Re 13:7, 8; compare 16:13, 14.) Noting these factors, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible comments: “The first of these beasts [of Re 13] combines in itself the joint characteristics of the four beasts of Daniel’s vision . . . Accordingly, this first beast represents the combined forces of all political rule opposed to God in the world.”—Edited by G. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 1, p. 369.
Two-horned beast. Then John saw a beast out of the earth with two horns like those of a harmless lamb, yet speaking as a dragon, exercising the full authority of the first wild beast, just described. It directs making an image of the globally ruling seven-headed beast, putting all persons under compulsion to accept its “mark.”—Re 13:11-17.
It may be recalled that the two-horned ram of Daniel chapter 8 represented a dual power, Medo-Persia. Of course, that power had long p. 271since disappeared by the apostle John’s day, and his vision was of things yet future. (Re 1:1) Other dual powers have existed since John’s day, but among these the historical association of Britain and the United States is particularly notable and of long duration.
The other notable characteristic of the two-horned beast, its speaking like a dragon, recalls the “mouth speaking grandiose things” on the outstanding horn of the fourth beast of Daniel 7 (vss 8, 20-26); while its ‘misleading’ earth’s inhabitants compares with the deception practiced by the ‘fierce king’ described at Daniel 8:23-25.—Re 13:11, 14.
Source(s): bible - AndreyLv 48 years ago
I see vague garbage that anyone can interpret the way they like. This is why you will never find a _specific_ "prophecy" along the lines of "on the may 21st of [year] by [calendar], [country] will wage war on [another country] and it will last [time] until [country] wins". And when there HAVE been ones like that, not once did they come true.
- Anonymous8 years ago
Have you considered the distinct possibility that the prophecies were actually written after the fact, and simply edited into an older story in order to lend legitimacy to said prophecies?
They do the same thing every time they re-publish Nostradamus' stuff.
- punchLv 78 years ago
And YOU know what it stands for how?
Then why not prove it. I eould like to see these scriptures that tell you what other scripture are saying. Makrs me wonder, why they couldn't just say what they meant.
AND........ Just becouse someone Doesnt agree with you doesn't mean they didnt listen. It means they don't agree. Don't be such a rude ***.
- Nacho the GreatLv 68 years ago
So.
Your Bible predicts something that happened periodically back then?