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Why are Mormons OK with changing Gods true character & nature, but won't allow God to change...?
For Mormons changing God's character and nature is OK, BUT God is not allowed to change the way he communicates with people?
Mormons, does this really make any sense? Mormons claim that the reason they have a prophet is because God has always spoken to men through a prophet and God is never changing. While I agree God is never changing, can't the LDS understand that changing the way one communicates DOESN'T change your character and nature?
Lds prophets have changed Gods nature making him:
1. One of many countless gods
2. Making God a man that progressed into a god
3. Saying god was actually Adam and Eve was one of his wives making him a polygamous god
4. Taught that God didn't create the earth and people, but he just organized everything, because god isn't able to create anything.
So LDS won't accept that God can change the way he communicates with people, but they are more the happy to change Gods true nature and character.
Please refer to LDS website for all above statements. These teachings were taught at one time by J. Smith and Brigham Young. Some of these teachings may not be current LDS teachings. But that only shows how EVER CHANGING the LDS god is.
@wahnote - Jsmith "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted [prepared] a plan to create the world and people it" https://www.lds.org/ensign/1971/04/the-king-follet... LDS website
"All learned men and doctors of divinity say that God created it in the beginning; but it is not so: the very idea lessens man in my estimation. I do not believe the doctrine; I know better. Hear it, all ye ends of the world; for God has told me so."
"The first principles of man are self-existent with God. God himself, finding he was in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was more intelligent, saw proper to institute laws whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself."
Jsmith said God told him of the above, I got this off the LDS website. Are you saying that Jsmith lied about God telling him?? Are you saying the LDS Ensign is Anti-Mormon material? Before you call me a liar,
Brigham Young : When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken – He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later!”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 51;
If you read all of the Bible you would know that this "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ (New Testament | Romans 8:17) - means to gain eternal life, not become a god of your own planet.
I never said it was doctrine, I said it is what your prophets taught!
@joshy - Well you didn't answer the question, however you did confirm that LDS members consider their OWN church website, prophets and teachings as untrustworthy and not to be believed. So thank you for at least admitting that.
It seems that both of you do not know the definition of doctrine. religious doctrine - the written body of teachings of a religious group that are generally accepted by that group.
It may be that the current LDS church doesn't today accept all of the above beliefs, however they were all taught for over 50 yrs as your Prophets Jsmith and Byoung taught them as truth. You can deny it all day long, but by simply reading the JOD you will see that these teachings were not a one time subject. The point is that the church claims today that Jsmith and Byoung were true prophets of God, yet the church today ignores/denies the majority of their teachings. When you say that the teachings were a one time thing you lose all creditability because that is a blatant lie. I am not saying your church still teaches these things, and I agree that they are stupid BUT that doesn't change the fact that was the truth taught when the church started. This pattern of changing Gods nature within your
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- Anonymous8 years agoFavorite Answer
this is pretty much a fail. Just a regurgitation of anti-Mormon spins based on less than complete quotes and asking Mormons to defend that which we don't believe anyway.
Big time fail!
EDIT - I didn't answer the question, it's a dumb question and I don't suffer fools.
I don't consider my church teachings untrustworthy; however your description of those points is very untrustworthy. To your points, they're not exactly doctrine, some of them are close to doctrine, but they're not doctrine. So I'm not going to waste my time defending a manipulation of our doctrine as if it's accurate.
1. One of many countless gods - that's not accurate at all, unless you consider others "gods" like it's said in the bible when Christ says "ye are gods" - in that sense yes, in the sense of there being other Redeemers and Saviors - not at all.
2. Making God a man that progressed into a god - that's not doctrinal, it's supposed by some, but in one sense it's accurate, Christ progressed from a man to a God clearly in the bible, so I'm not sure why it's preposterous to you.
3. Saying god was actually Adam and Eve was one of his wives making him a polygamous god - while I'm not a personal fan of polygamy, I don't think God was a polygamist but I don't see an issue of Him being one, Christ calls Himself a son of David, and Abraham, and Jacob - all 3 polygamists. However the Adam and Eve thing is a misunderstanding of a single talk by Brigham Young where all of his other teachings made it clear that he didn't believe that. So no, that's not at all accurate, part of it could be opinion and the rest of it is stupidity.
4. Taught that God didn't create the earth and people, but he just organized everything, because god isn't able to create anything. - that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. If you organize something you created that thing obviously. That's like saying a baker didn't make a cake since they didn't create wheat that the flour was made from - it's completely stupid.
- WahnoteLv 58 years ago
Your question make little sense, probably the result of reading too much anti Mormon print outs.
1. One of many countless gods
Ans:Our belief, the God heads are Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, we only have one God we pray to and that is Heavenly Father)
2. Making God a man that progressed into a god
Ans: Didn't Christ became man and administers to his people in the flesh? what so degrading about that? are we not heir to God as stated in:
"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ (New Testament | Romans 8:17)
3. Saying god was actually Adam and Eve was one of his wives making him a polygamous god
Ans: Not LDS doctrine
4. Taught that God didn't create the earth and people, but he just organized everything, because god isn't able to create anything.
Ans: Not LDS doctrine
Like I said, its not LDS doctrine
Brigham Young's journal discourse is not LDS doctrine
Church Doctrine means when the Prophet are inspired and reveal as like scriptures are.
There are great difference between a doctrine and a man's personal opinion.
In your ball game, you insist the church responsible for a man's personal opinion.
- JensterLv 58 years ago
You fail to understand the LDS teachings. It is well known in the LDS community that the journal of discourses is not scripture or prophesy. http://en.fairmormon.org/Journal_of_Discourses/As_doctrine_and_one_of_the_%22standard_works%22_of_the_Church
Yes we believe in the same organization that Christ established with Prophets and apostles (Ephesians 4:11)
The idea that God directed the creation of the earth is biblical if we look at John 1:1-2.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The Word is Christ. He was in the beginning with God and all things were made n mmmmmmm by him.
Read Genesis 3:22 and it says: " And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:" US plural.
I could continue with each claim if you want to message me.
Source(s): http://mormon.org/
