We are told "the combined land and ocean temp is still rising". Where can we see proof?

They claim to have detected a hundredths of a degree of warming in the oceans with Argo floats that are sparsely distributed. The ocean is a very big place, so you can't measure everywhere.

Plenty of the 'oceans are warming' evidence is based on models that assume CO2 causes lots of warming, we haven't found the missing heat, therefore it's in the oceans.

On top of that we have a switch in measuring, with the ARGO floats introduced recently.

With the introduction of the floats, there was no warming detected for 4-5 years, but since then they have found another hundredth of a degree in warming. Who does the analysis seems to make a difference here, but I have no idea which analysis is better. UK Met Office shows cooling from their ARGO analysis while NODC shows warming.

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/is-ocea...

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/nodcs-p...

There's a small graph here on the bottom right so it has to be true: http://temperaturetrends.org/home.html

Of course, that graph is a splicing of ARGO data with computer simulations so it depends on your own personal requirements for "proof".

You can get a more zoomed look at the recent data here: http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/images/OHCA_curve_2012...

BTW, looking at that last graph guess what year ARGO data was introduced? Bingo! 2003 ...we have a winner. You know, looking at the past 10 years (i.e. with solid data), I don't see that much of a trend up. Combine that with the last ten years of surface temperatures and this claim of both rising together with CO2 seems is little tenuous to me.

No we dont have proof, we have argo buoys (a few thousands to cover 70% of earths surface) and they have been around a decade or so, while we know that ocean cycles like the PDO and AMO work on 40 to 60 year cycles so it will take hundreds of years measuring, to work out trends.

Yeah Tomcat, Woodfortrees is a great tool if you actually apply it with thought.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst2gl/from:19...

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst2gl/from:19...

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst2gl/from:19...

How do you pick? Do you look for a flat period that tends to reflect your view if you don't think too much, or do you think about the half-life of CO2 in the air (~100-200 years), and when fossil fuels started to be used in mass (late 1800s)? Are you more comfortable making predictions into the future on based just a decade that omit long-term trends?

Good luck with that one!

A reasonable speculation would be that the historical ocean temps have been every bit manipulated/massaged as the surface record.

The best measurement of sea surface temps indicate at least a decade of cooling. I guess if you convert it to zeta joules with large error bars maybe it could be possible to deceive people, aka OHC.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst2gl/from:20...

You reject Climate Science yet you do not know where to find combined land and ocean temperature data?

Why am I not surprised?

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

http://fore.research.yale.edu/climate-change/scien...

http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/extern...

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/monitoring/cl...