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? asked in SportsMartial Arts · 8 years ago

The "old school karate guard"?

Have anyone ever seen this type of Kamae before? In my research, I've found that most old school karate master used this type of Kamae eg. Motobu Choki and Chibana Choshin. It look a lot like bare knuckle boxing guard. I've found it to be very difference than what most modern Karate schools do today. Here are some pictures

http://www.shorinryu.de/public/familie/meister/chi...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae...

http://wingchungeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/0...

Update:

It also look very similar to the block "morote-uke". I have always wonder why in the world would you block a strike with both of your arms.

Update 2:

I have tried to use it as a guard. I've found that it work very well. "Jesse Enkamp" wrote an article about this. Both arms work as a strike and a block at the same time. It's called "meotode". Maybe someone can explain to me a bit more on that?

Thank you Darth, I will keep that application in mind.

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  • 8 years ago
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    The third picture is of Master Seikichi Odo(FYI).

    Yes. This is very typical as these are all Okinawan Masters. This technique is found in several kata of the Suidi/Shurite and Dumai/Tomarite. The closed fist represents grab-hand - tuidi/tuite. It represents grabbing an extremity and crushing, gripping flesh and attacking pressure points.

    The specific arm position shows the area of attack can be an elbow and should or wrist and elbow grapple. It can also be an elbow break, if you twist the arm to face the back of it to you and hyper-extend, breaking the elbow. Also a collar bone break... many oyo from this. The manner of use shown here is as a shield.

    Great pictures. It can be used as a guard, but it is not a guard.

  • Tom
    Lv 5
    8 years ago

    In the real world you normally wouldn't block with both hands under most conditions. .

    In our case when we do Arm conditioning (kote kitae) we do a variation of the morote-uke block but only with the one hand.

    Also the links you show, setup for a back fist, which can be a great technique under the right conditions. Again, you're probably not going to do them in most cases, but if you can they can be brutal.

    Source(s): 12 years of Uechi Ryu karate
  • Jim R
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    It is not really a 'guard', rather more likely a grapple.

    Much grappling goes on in karate kata, some seem unaware of.

    Darth is well versed in this area of martial art. He gave you a great answer.

  • 8 years ago

    These are in our kata. Like Darth and Jim pointed out these are not guards.

    Source(s): Martial Arts since 1982
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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    this guy copied John L Sullivan the boxer I tell you what he knew he was a good fighter so he copied him so he wouldn't lose

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