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feminism, from the mouth of a traditional male dating a "feminist" female?

So I have seen a lot of posts recently concerning feminism. Honestly I dont really like talking about this stuff because I have strong feelings yet amd used to suppressing them so others can benefit. I also tend to be one who calls out on hypocrisy yet manages to commit it himself so if I contradict myself or say stupid things then I apologize.

However, I am writing this to depict a different outlook on the recent (or now not so recent) feminism craze

skip to ------- to ignore rambling ahead haha

but first about myself: I am an 18 yo just about to go into the Air force. I come from a family that has not been divorced and I have been raised very traditionally. I was raised watching the example of my dad working (also in the air force) and my mom staying home to watch me and my siblings. my mom is just as intelligent (if not more) than my father. they both went to the same college and got degrees my mom even got hers a year early! she has had many jobs recently (many because she quit not because she was bad but for others reasons, I dont think she has ever been fired under bad terms). she chose to stay home because it let her take care of her kids directly and then to practice some of her dreams/hobbies. she now has an entire room dedicated to scrap booking and crafts.

When I was a kid I noticed that all the boys were mean to the girls. it wasnt just sarcastic teasing it was straight meaness. I always tried to be nice and polite but that led me literally nowhere. I was wierd and unpopular. yet those boys who said demeaning and hateful thing to the girls were cool. why?

I tried to not release my thoughts on this and grew up to be nice. I was incredibly nice to a girl that I thought I loved. always trying to do what I thought was the right thing for her but it backfired on me after I got grounded for sneaking out to her house while I was already in trouble. she later cheated on me twice (some) women eh?

now I have a wonderful gf that I have been together with for more than two years. people say we are a mature couple (I dont expect you internet people to believe me though haha) but after my relationship with the 1st girl I became spiteful and even now when I try to just tease in a loving way it turns out mean.

my girlfriend was originally a huge so-called feminist. she got (legitimately) mad if I tried to hold doors open for her and said ladies first or any normal gentleman things I grew up on. One day she asked me if I was hungry (this was like the second day I had been at her house, I did not feel comfortable and I did not know where anything was located) I told her yes. she said

"well go make somehting then"

and proceeded to make herself something else... what? lol I asked her if I could have some of hers. She said no. that is until I used logic and told her there are two of us, one of her, and enough macaroni for four people (she is a slim 5'4" at 118 ibs. A look of realization came upon her face and she said sure.

I have had lots of things happen between me and her where she said something, "feminist" and I was like "what"?

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feminism has come a long way I see it like a scale where the middle is the golden spot for women and/or feminists. In the past women were looked down upon in society and had specific laws that applied only to them. On top of that things were expected of them that encrouched upon their own feelings and freedoms! this is where I agree the scales needed to tilt to the right

however, too far to the right is where I believe feminism is now

it is blown out of proportion and focuses on things that do not need focus, yet slights over the things that were once truly important. on top of that I see a lot of hypocrisy. I cannot ask my girlfriend to make me her amazing pancakes (i suck at coooking) when she is over and bored usually as well, but she can tell me I must put the toilet seat down? How can she tell me I am unfair to ask her to cook (seriously her pancakes are Delicious) but she can tell me I still need to be a gentleman?

the scale has leaned to the right and feminism is now over the top and unfocused. however the women who practice it act like they can preach how they are better but still expect men to treat them as a lady (I use lady in the sense of olden days ladies and gentlemen) In fact doesn't wishing to be treated like a lady go against their spouted values?

I have decided that if a woman is a polite and left side of the scale feminist I shall honor that yet still be a polite person to them.

however If they insist on being the hypocritical right side of the scales feminist... then I shall tell them that they can put the toilet seat down like a big girl themselves.

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after that bit of nonsense what do you all think? haha :D

Update:

you all had such great responses!!!

Nick

long story short in my experience I have come across a lot of hipocrisy in feminism I personally believe in and accept the original underlying goals of feminism but I see a lot of would be feminists whose views and beliefs are scewd (I definently did not spell that correctly)

common sense

what you are referring to as a "feminist is what I was referring to as an incorrect feminist haha. I have left out details of my recent relationship to her, those were mostly within the first few months of us. I did not think she was the feminist you are referring to because a lot of her actions did not match her words. I do my best to put down the toilet seat for her because She is a lady although i tell her that I will only do it as long as she cooks for me or something (jokingly whether or not she does will not affect how often i put down the seat for her) she now will come to my house and cook me breakfast some mornings and lots of nice things a trad

Update 2:

dangit i wrote a bunch more stuff but it didnt show :(

Update 3:

tional person like me can appriciate. I wrote a lot more but it wasnt posted :(

Linda C

thanks however I am worried I will not e good enough (im not the most athletic) your version of femiinism is the version I actually agree with. to me that is the middle of the scale. I researched a lot about feminism and that was what feminism at its core originally meant and I was surprised to find I agreed with it haha. and thank you for you offer but I am very happy with my girlfriend and she has definently lightened up on the subject. I try to talk about it with her and urge her to become educated as well and we have come to an understanding.

Update 4:

Ya Coffee

the response I wrote for you was incredibly lengthy and im sad it didnt post. I agree with your response about confusing what it is and what it isnt. I also agree about the push shove part you wrote. In fact, with the example with the macaroni I left a part out. 2 days before that she had come over to my house. i asked her if she was hungry when she said yes I proceeded to make the macaroni (by myself) put it in two bowls and put a spoon in each one and take hers to her. I actually pointed this out when she told me to get my own bowl and spoon and she looked surprised, said "oh" and then got me a spoon and bowl, dished it up and gave it to me haha.

my purpose of my rant was to point out the lack of uniformity on peoples thoughts on what feminism is and isnt. I cooked her food and served it to her because that is what i was taught a good host does. I expected her to do the same not because she was a woman and "belongs in the kitchen" (not my opinion just

Update 5:

just an example) but because she was the host(ess) and I thought thats what hostesses did

Update 6:

invisible man

what you listed is the kind of feminists I saw. At my school we had a lot of... vocal, liberals they were the kind of stereotypical people who shoved down your throat to be tolerant and accepting of new ideals yet told you that you were a hypocritical intolerant grasshole if you didnt agree with their opinons. I think people my age are misled in their opinions especially regarding feminism and my purpose for writing all this was 1) entertainment and 2) to see what other people thought

Update 7:

Bray

sorry I left out the details about me giving to her. I figured they would appear self righteous and over-exuberant. however I do try my hardest to give to her and fullfill her wishes at all times

Update 8:

hear this if nothing else

I grew up with the crazy right side scale feminists and because of that i wanted to disagree with feminism. but I was in a very influencial literature class with a teacher that always said to educate yourself on a topic. Once i did I realized that the feminism they were describing and real idealistic feminism are not the same and that I in fact agreed with the actual feminism so much that I wanted to discuss with others about it.

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  • 7 years ago
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    Hi there, young man, and thank you for your willingness to serve our country. In doing so, you will make a better life for you and yours. As you might guess, I am a military wife and mom...and card carrying feminist. Here is the definition of feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. I love to have a man open doors for me - that does not diminish me in any way. I will also open a door for a man. Tell your girlfriend it is call having 'good manners' and she needs to relax. I, and my fellow women, fought the battle and won the war. Your girlfriend is equal and she has a good man. Don't take a negative view of feminism. Become educated. And if she dumps you, I have daughters that may be interested in an enlightened man!

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    I hear you but you are only 18. You need to learn a lot about life and how a good life entails you giving too,,not just your life partner. I hope one day to hear a long story from a man who might say that I am one who wants to give more then what I expect to get. That is the essence of Christianity and it's not addressed to women only.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    No matter if you are involved with a Feminist, an MRA or whoever, the rule of thumb is always the same: TREAT YOUR PARTNER THE WAY YOU WOULD WANT TO BE TREATED...with respect and kindness. Anything less is a person you prefer to avoid and run away from, really.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    Definitely educate yourself on what feminist's goals are, what they say, and what they support.

    Are feminist protestors generally loud, obscene, abrasive, and sometimes violent? Yes.

    Do feminist protestors often desecrate churches? Yep. (See Femen)

    Do feminists always blame men for the problems women face? Yes again.

    Feminism as it's practiced and the 1st dictionary definition are not the same. They're not even distant cousins.

    I think you'd be wise to never ever date a feminist. Ever.

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  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    I cannot help think you are confusing feminism and women wanting basic respect with basic politeness and good manners. Feminism only wants women to not be discriminated against. Not all feminists are mature and some are polite while others are not just like individuals that are not feminists. I agree we should all be respectful and polite but this has nothing really to do with feminism in my mind - it's an individual thing and sometimes a reflection more of maturity than anything else.

    Hint - if you want her to cook for you offer to do something for her - a relationship should be give and take

  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    Feminists believe women should be advantaged over males in almost every aspect of society. If you date a feminist, you need to be okay with that belief. If you are not okay with that attitude, then don't date feminists.

    You can't date someone you know to be a feminist, but then be angry that she acts like a feminist.

    ~

  • Werbie
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    Yes, you're right

    :P

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    god that's long...can you put 'long story short' or something? in any case: we hope your relationship with her will be fine.

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