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? asked in SportsOutdoor RecreationHunting · 7 years ago

Will Gun Grease Smooth my Action?

Okay boys and girls, I have a serious ponder here with a bit of a story, so listen up:

I have a PPS-43 in 7.62x25. It is probably the coolest gun ever and a ridiculous good time at the range.

When I first took it out to shoot, it still had the original grease (Cosmoline) in the spring and on the bolt some. The action was super smooth and the recoil very light. The gun would just kind of pop backwards a bit when you fired.

After I cleaned the gun from that first day out, it hasn't been quite the same. Don't get me wrong, it's still super fun, but the recoil is more of your classic jolted muzzle rise now instead of that nice smooth blow-back feel. The first shot from a mag usually has the old feel but every shot after until you put a new mag in is more jerky.

So the quandary is: Was the first go-round just a break-in period (Put about 150 rds through) or did cleaning out the cosmoline change the action?

To test the theory, I actually got this gun grease: http://www.amazon.com/Red-Rock-Gear-Tetra-Grease/d...

But it didn't seem to make a difference, nor did more gun oil. Perhaps it's not thick enough? Or maybe it just shoots the way it was meant to now and the first outing was abnormal?

What are thy professionals thoughts?

Update:

AH, some great responses...and not so greats.

I'll address the great ones:

@J.E.S.: Point taken. Though I intend to keep my nose out of the fray for the time being, I will take that into account during these cold months as I shoot at an outdoor range.

@august: Yes, I too found that article. But I also found it unhelpful since I've put a few hundred rounds through it so far without displaying the issue of shells getting stuck within the chamber. It also came with two mags and both function flawlessly. I've also been firing mostly the same ammo; new made S

Update 2:

Curses. Never use the "AND" sign in additional details...

continued: Sellier and Bellot. Also some PPU, but no problems with either.

@SC: I did clean the majority of the cosmoline first, but I watched some videos on PPS maintenance and some people said to keep it well lubed. (And I hadn't the gun grease yet...)

But I didn't leave it gobbed or blobbed anywhere.

@f100_supersabre: You may be onto something there. Like I said, I left some on but not a lot. However, it may have been enough to slow it, which would explain it's one and only hiccup thus far was on the third round of a mag when it seemed to not recoil far back enough to fire. But it only happened once, and the round fired on the second try. Hm.

It's not user error though; you can definitely feel the jerk from the barrel rise, and I'm not much of a flincher in the slightest. Perhaps it was just the cosmoline creating an abnormality that I wouldn't know of since it was the first outing and no

Update 3:

*By "well lubed" I mean the gun. Specifically the bolt. And they said with grease. But most everyone else does not mention grease or lubing the action so maybe it doesn't matter as much...

Update 4:

@Zim: Maybe you should read the "Additional Details." I'm not a complete idiot, I did clean it out first. Like I said: People suggested keeping it greased so I kept a little bit in there. I'm actually not even sure it was cosmoline; it was a lot more loose, darker, and more wet than your typical cosmoline.

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  • 7 years ago
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    Cosmoline is a very heavy grease used to protect from rust.

    This heavy grease caused the action to operate slowly and reduced the felt recoil AND the rate of fire.

    Actually, you are lucky it would even cycle the action!

    Cosmoline should ALWAYS be cleaned out before shooting, and a VERY LIGHT coat of good gun grease applied to contact points to prevent/reduce wear on those points.

    The jerkiness AFTER the first shot is more likely caused by YOU than by any difference in the operation of the weapon.

  • august
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    When I read your question in the list, my mind went down a trail it shouldn't have.

    Check out this forum:

    http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9...

    Some of what was said there makes me believe that maybe your magazine could be the culprit, or possibly the ammunition. Try a different ammo if you can find it, and make sure the magazine looks okay. It might also be a good idea to buy another mag or two.

    Here's a pretty inexpensive PPS mag:

    http://centerfiresystems.com/magpps43.aspx

    It may also need the grease, but I'd check the magazines out first.

    Good luck! Sounds like a fun gun.

  • 7 years ago

    I like to use grease on the sliding parts on my gun. Namely the slides of my pistols, and the bolt carrier group on my AR. I find it just works a bit better than thin lube, and stays in place longer. I use regular gun oil on swinging, exposed, and turning parts. It should be noted that I live in a hot and humid state that never sees low temps. The lower the temperature, the thinner of a lube you should be running, as it will thicken up.

    For grease, I just use basic auto store white lithium grease, I never really saw the point in paying so much extra for the "gun" greases. I bought a one pound tub of auto store grease for $5, and have barely even put a dent in it.

    Honestly, you gun was probably just gummed up from all that cosmoline, and has an exceptionally harsh action, which attributed to the "smoother" feel. As its been said, cosmoline is meant to be used for storage, not use.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    you're supposed to clean the cosmoline out of the gun before shooting it, i'm amazed it even cycled.

    cosmoline's a extremely heavy duty grease primarily for preservation, not lubrication. you probably damaged your gun doing that.

    if you want a smooth action I suggest spending some time on polishing components rather than ack the action with cosmoline. a bit of polishing compound and dremel buffing wheel can do wonders to smooth an action.

  • 7 years ago

    What did the maker recommend ? ( you shot it without cleaning out the cosmoline first ?) That usually happens right after you open the box, doesn't it ? I would thoroughly clean it, lightly oil it and try again...if the problem persists, take it to a Smith for his advice.

    Source(s): ( snof ?...not all of us are dummies....some have actually been around the block once or twice...and speak from a lifetime of experience and adventure. Speak for yourself when you try and insult people, ok ? ( waiting patiently for an expected TD or another "trusted member" to flag me....sigh )
  • JES
    Lv 6
    7 years ago

    Clean it out and keep it clean. Should you get into a fire fight in cold weather the grease will gum up the action and make your gun useless. A greasy dirty gun is a good way to get yourself killed.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    7 years ago

    Seriously, you have a PPS-43? You found a transferable WW2-era submachine gun for sale? Nice.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    7 years ago

    Try strip-clubs .............. your action should pick-up without using grease.

  • 7 years ago

    sorry to breakit to ya but there aint no professionals on here just a bunch of F@&%ers.

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