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what do christians think of this quote?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? – Epicurus
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- AlLv 77 years agoFavorite Answer
Epicurus is the man: "Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is not here. And when it does come, we no longer exist."
- Anonymous7 years ago
Incorrect. Not knowing God, what else?
Evil is being exposed...why? Because
it's there, because God must first show
everyone... and people do it, then God
gets rid of it.
I think anything created outside of perfection
would separate, some going wrong, some
wanting to overthrow God!
- PamelaLv 77 years ago
I hear that a lot.
This statement proudly presumes to judge God according to human standards.
It does not consider the gift and privaledge of choice He has given us but instead- demands that God meet our expectations while taking no responsibility for our own actions.
This statement is popular with those who not only demand that God stay out of their lives but also fix and prevent their mistakes.
- ?Lv 47 years ago
Thier is more proof in this world that when we die, we are not dead? If you cut a flower does it not grow back the same? We pick what we need for food from trees and plants, dont they come back?
Study the measures taken by the Egyptians for thier resurection from death? Egyptian Kings, rulers of millions of people, wanting for no substance, having all sorts of knowledge brought to thier feets, believed, and prepared for, an existance after death?
If spiritual beings are not real then why did so many tribes of people worship a being that appeared either from the sky, or out of knowhere.
Is it a coincidence that over 50 differant nations had a priest, or priests, who had contact with a non human being, that appeared in form, that spoke, and made decisions? Think about how many nations, countries, tribes, all over the world had a person who instructed them, from instructions they recieved from something that was real, but not alive walking among them?
Death is an illusion, prepare for it?
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- 7 years ago
From my experience, Christians never use that quote, only anti-Christians do in order to try and debunk God's love and sovereignty in the world. It's an interesting quote but 2 words debunk it completely - free will. By that I mean, if we want God to be all loving (which He is or should be), than we have to accept that evil WILL happen in the world bc people have to be given free will; the ability to make their own choices. People who are puppet-stringed are not loved, hence God wont puppet-string us. We are free and that is the best example of love there is. Well, at least those who accept God's free gift of Himself.
- Roberta BLv 67 years ago
This is an eloquent, but incorrect description of how God deals with the issue of evil. .
God is willing and able to do away with evil, but he will do it in his time. Psalm 37:10-11
If he prevented humans from practicing evil, he would be depriving them of their free will which allows them to choose how to live. Deuteronomy 30:19
He is not malevolent, but just, because the evil that humans do results in consequences for them. Galatians 6:7-8
This is why he commands us to do good 1 Peter 3:10-12
He is both able and willing, so evil comes not from God but from the imperfection of humans and their bad choices Ezekiel 33:17
He is both a wise, just and a purposeful God, whose ways are higher than ours, and has an appointed time to bring to ruin those who ruin the earth. Revelation 11:18
Our Creator is alive and powerful and he is God because he can keep promises, including the one about there being a resurrection.
Acts 24:15
15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection+ of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Psalm 37:29
29 The righteous will possess the earth,
And they will live forever on it.
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EPICUREANS
(Ep·i·cu·re′ans).
The followers of the Greek philosopher Epicurus (341-270 B.C.E.).
The philosophy originated by Epicurus flourished for seven centuries. It centered around the idea that the pleasure of the individual was the sole or chief good in life. Hence, Epicurus advocated living in such a way as to derive the greatest amount of pleasure possible during one’s lifetime, yet doing so moderately in order to avoid the suffering incurred by overindulgence in such pleasure. The emphasis was placed on pleasures of the mind rather than on physical pleasures. Therefore, according to Epicurus, with whom a person eats is of greater importance than what is eaten. Unnecessary and, especially, artificially produced desires were to be suppressed. Since learning, culture, and civilization as well as social and political involvements could give rise to desires that are difficult to satisfy and thus result in disturbing one’s peace of mind, they were discouraged. Knowledge was sought only to rid oneself of religious fears and superstitions, the two primary fears to be eliminated being fear of the gods and of death. Viewing marriage and what attends it as a threat to one’s peace of mind, Epicurus lived a celibate life but did not impose this restriction on his followers.
The philosophy was characterized by a complete absence of principle. Lawbreaking was counseled against simply because of the shame associated with detection and the punishment it might bring. Living in fear of being found out or punished would take away from pleasure, and this made even secret wrongdoing inadvisable. To the Epicureans, virtue in itself had no value and was beneficial only when it served as a means to gain happiness. Reciprocity was recommended, not because it was right and noble, but because it paid off. Friendships rested on the same selfish basis, that is, the pleasure resulting to the possessor. While the pursuit of pleasure formed the focal point of the philosophy, paradoxically Epicurus referred to life as a “bitter gift.”
The Epicureans believed in the existence of gods, but that they, just like everything else, were made of atoms, though of finer texture. It was thought that the gods were too far away from the earth to have any interest in what man was doing; so it did not do any good to pray or to sacrifice to them. The gods, they believed, did not create the universe, nor did they inflict punishment or bestow blessings on anyone, but they were supremely happy, and this was the goal to strive for during one’s life. However, the Epicureans contended that the gods were in no position to aid anyone in this, that life came into existence by accident in a mechanical universe, and that death ends everything, liberating the individual from the nightmare of life. Although it was believed that man has a soul, the soul was thought to be composed of atoms that dissolve at the death of the body, just as water spills out of a pitcher that breaks.
In the light of the foregoing, it can well be appreciated why Epicurean philosophers were among those who took to conversing controversially with Paul in the marketplace at Athens and who said: “What is it this chatterer would like to tell?” “He seems to be a publisher of foreign deities.” (Ac 17:17, 18) The philosophy of the Epicureans, with its idea of “let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die,” denied the resurrection hope taught by Christians in their ministry.—1Co 15:32
- WackoJackoLv 67 years ago
Well that's just it really. Many Christians don't think, least not critically.
Source(s): Epicurus was cool :) - brother truckerLv 77 years ago
That's an incompetent deduction that leaves out the strongest emotions of man, freedom. Epicurus could not honestly deal with the freedom we all cherish so he simply omitted it. For this oversight philosophy condemns him as incompetent.
- Anonymous7 years ago
God gave us all free will... Some people choose to do evil instead of good... God only intervenes when people ask Him to. If everyone obeyed God, there would be no evil.
Source(s): Follower of Christ - Anonymous7 years ago
it tells me Atheists are presumptuous