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pugpaws2 asked in SportsMartial Arts · 7 years ago

Does anyone else see this too?

Anyone that has been active here will quickly see a trend that the younger guys have set in concrete in their minds. That is the mistaken belief that the most powerful, kick, punch, ...etc is the best and always better than less powerful ones. Have you seen this misunderstanding of the real world too?

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  • ?
    Lv 6
    7 years ago

    Yes I have seen the trend on here and in the "real world". It is typically more of a sport mind set in my experience, however no group seems to be immune to it.

    Finesse is under rated especially by many of the sport crowd and many younger people in general. There are many times that it is more advantageous to finesse a move and stay in a better position for a second or third technique. Punching or kicking is not always the best technique to chose either.

    Ryan here is a prime example of inexperience and common misconceptions filling the "cup" instead of making room for real knowledge.

  • 7 years ago

    As part of what you would define as younger generation... I thought this was always the case for the untrained?

    The media pumps these false information that there are levels of techniques and higher ones are the stronger ones that the character will rely on because it's so much better than others. They also make it seem like a character will think out a technique before engaging or even while engaging like a slow game of chess(which is actually true I suppose when you get into ground fighting). A training is seem as method to condition oneself only rather than building muscle memory. And it goes on and on.

    Hell I know better and I still find myself wishing for that one ultimate technique when I watch certain shows. Before you call it childish though, there has been a plenty people in the past who looked for "the perfect thrust". An unstoppable and most efficient attack with a sword that can't fail. So I don't think it's only a modern generational trap.

  • Jay
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    I find it remarkable that people actually even believe there is a "better" or "stronger" technique when all have their use, function and importance. That same kind of thinking is the very same that have kids believing certain teachings and principles in the martial arts are uselessly and unnecessarily taught, making a need for "changing" or "altering" a style to make it all work. Idiotic.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Its nothing new Pugpaws... Think back to when you were young, we were and some still are like it. It is just immaturity and a lack of knowledge.

    It has and will always happen. We teach our children from a young age to have their own opinion but with human kind your opinion is often a reflection of society. For example lets look at morbid obesity, who is to say that is not beautiful.. society does... but in a few generations that opinion can change.

    As the world has gone into MMA mode now society sees other martial arts as inferior and that is just how public opinion is because that is how the UFC has led people to believe. Just the way the Gracies led the world to believe their style was the best in the world.... opinions change when the bubble bursts.

    Now after teaching children to have and speak their mind then we tell them they are wrong for doing so and then we wonder why they argue with us?? they argue because this is what we have taught them and it is getting worse with each generation because kids are allowed access to more people with society opinions via the internet and TV and this just makes people more like sheep (Riki3 would love this). Of course they are wrong but only maturity and knowledge will fix this

    AND yes they are like this with everything in life. - Blame TV, Internet, media, governments.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Obviously haymakers are very powerful but idiotic to use, however more powerful punches in general are better especially in a street fight. Hooks, jabs, crosses, uppercuts are what do the damage. The real world is actually martial artists misunderstanding that they think they can fight. Fancy kicks and impractical moves only look good in practice and movies. A real boxer or mma fighter in a street fight would absolutely wipe the floor with martial artists, especially the stupid ones like taekwondo and tai chi.

  • Kokoro
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    Several great answers already

    Yes it notice that as well. They think power comes from strength, then they get annoyed when you tell them otherwise.

    It's the inpatients of the youth and all the media crap they believe.

    Source(s): 30+yrs ma
  • 7 years ago

    They fail to ask these questions

    you can't strike the throat neck or back of the head neck WHY

    You can't make direct kicks( SIDE KICK FRONT KICK INVERTED STOMP KICK ETC) to any part of the body below the waist including the legs knees etc WHY

    No fish hooking WHY

    No grabbing the fingers WHY

    Use of elbows depends on the rules and are restricted even when allowed (no descending elbows to collar bone top of the head back of the neck) WHY

    If they can honestly answer any of these questions without making excuses they will understand they can be as vulnerable as anyone else .Dojo operators must teach these methods if not they are short changing their students .

  • possum
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    Size and strength do not matter, as long as you have technique and mindset.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKF3U9UWrBI

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    I'm not so much "active" on here anymore, but of course I have seen this.

    Probably one of the reasons I am not on here so much anymore. We have gotten an influx of newbies.

    Some who are beneficial and some who are not.

    Nothing is more annoying when some kid asks a question regarding ___________ and you spend the time to answer, and yet, suddenly, the kid doesn't like your FACTUAL answer bc it goes against his/her beliefs. You are supposed to say what they want to hear.

    And our friend Cecil already covered some good pointers too. Especially "the person with the most powerful body is going to win in a real fight, no matter what".

    I am a short guy at 5ft 6 140 lbs. I've been judged my entire life. Tell someone "I do martial arts" they are surprised or don't believe it. It's hilarious how people think. "You don't look like a martial artist", well looks are deceiving.

    EX: Most people would look at Bruce Lee in a shirt and think: "Skinny lil guy".

    Without his shirt: "Holy $#!t he's ripped"!

    And that also goes to the myth that the strongest guy will win, or even deeper:

    Big muscles = Physical Fitness.

    I have seen that disproven time and time again. Big muscle guys with even bigger egos, thinking they are super fit just bc they lift a-lot of weight. Yet, they aren't even close to being truly fit, and can't perform some of the simplest of exercises.

    I remember at a ROTC Ranger Comp, we had the PT test. Before hand we noticed two rather muscular guys talking about how they were gonna dominate in pushups etc. Long story short, we had one of our female cadets pop out 60 pushups in 2 minutes while those kids barely did 40. And overhearing her tell me how well she did said "Well that's just bc you're lightweight"...

    She turned to them smiled and said "But you are such big, strong, men, surely you should be able to do more than me".

    I mean really. Stereotyping and false thinking runs deep. And Cecil summed it up beautifully with this marvelous quote:

    "The real world is you not being able to handle a problem because your assumptions cloud your perception of reality".

    I suppose it's just the younger generation and lack of maturity. They believe what they want to believe, and hear what they want to hear. It's a shame.

    Perhaps one day they will mature and see the error of their ways.

    Take care Pugpaws.

    Source(s): Martial Artist 14 yrs and counting.
  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    Yes I have and several times I have mentioned in this forum "feathering your punches" and some of the reasons why a person who is throwing punches and kicks might instead take some power off of them rather than trying to throw them as hard as they can. Not only does this apply to punching and kicking but the idea of using power and strength and applying it and curtailing that also applies to some wrestling, grappling, and jujitsu techniques.

    Oftentimes though many don't have a good understanding of the above nor develop and understand the idea behind "feathering" and "touch" and how these apply to them being successful in executing something. They instead misapply too much power or overly rely on power and strength, or waste it and in doing so it often makes them less effective rather than more effective.

    In closing I have mentioned before the situation for instance where I want do real sustained damage to them. In that kind of situation if I hit or kick them as hard as I can then they won't always be in range for any techniques and combinations after that first shot lands. In a situation like the above I might take some power off that initial shot or combination so that they are still within range for me to then follow up and deliver a stronger, more effective shot or combination and do more damage. Some situations require this approach more than others but if your understanding of things is not there then you probably are going to fall victim to thinking that everything has to be executed with maximum speed and power when that actually can work against you and make you ineffective at times rather than more effective.

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