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does this pin down feminism and the feminist mindset?
Whilst studying feminist and the mindset they instill in woman I came to an interesting theory. Feminism seemed so be an Ideology built upon the principle that (all men are forever privileged and all women are forever oppressed.) This got me thinking, though feminism is a bias equality meaning an equality based from one perceptive. It's not really an equality about equal rights for women. It would be more appropriate to say it's equal privileges for women.
This would explain why feminism is still pushed even though equal rights have nearly been achieved. This also explains why everything seems unfair for women. You being a forever privileged male have no right to speak out against a forever oppressed female, even if it's completely warranted. It explains the hypocrisy, the flaws in their behavior. Feminist aren't about equal right but instead equal privilege. But as we all know men aren't forever privileged. There just happens to be some natural privileges women can't obtain. This put their quest of equal privilege in an intangible state. And so the idea of forever male privilege lives on. This assessment goes much deeper, but i think i've said enough for now.
What do you think. Do you think this boxes feminist and there ideology?
please answer why or why not. I'd appreciate it thanks.
Note: This question is about understanding the concept behind feminism. Not to prove who is oppressed and who is not. It's about trying to understand why feminist seem to act and speak in a manner that men are privileged and women are oppressed. nothing more, nothing less.
7 Answers
- ?Lv 57 years agoFavorite Answer
I am really tired of people on this site thinking that women are these oppressed creatures and men are these kings who get everything handed to them. I dont give a damn what you are talking about, women do have equal privileges, and you arent oppressed. You are saying that men are "privileged", well last time I checked black men and Mexican men are far from privileged, otherwise they wouldnt face so much shitt from cops and the biasness in the criminal justice system, they also wouldnt be stereotyped as criminals despite the fact that we even have a minority as president... so cut it out. I think this country has more of a race issue than a sexism issue. If a white woman were to rob a bank she would get less time than men of the same and opposite race, she would even get less time than women of color. If you are apart of the dominant/majority population your asss is not oppressed, whether you are a woman or not. Females are not oppressed in this country and they have equal opportunities as men, and the sexism in this country is small compared to all the other major issues that are going on. I do agree that the media is hard on us (women) and have power over our body image and self esteem and we are treated unfairly in certain situations, but this country has bigger issues that make those particular issues look so small
Well, you are right, that is the concept to SOME so-called feminist and they need to get over it, they are the same type of women who only give a damn about the women in their demographic, which is middle class, wealthy, heterosexual white women. Dont believe me? Look on youtube and look at feminist bloggers and youtubers and tell me do they even mention the shitt women go through in the black, latin and even asian communities. And political feminist are even worse, thats why we need more colored feminist because these other feminists only care about the women in the dominant population, not realizing that all women are different, and not all women are white, middle class and heterosexual. But anyways, I dont know why they think the way they do, and if they actually look at the issues that gays, minorities, and other people face, they would realize that their asses arent as oppressed as they think they are just for being women, and that men are not these privileged kings that they think they are, they face issues as well. Yes, there are privileges that comes with being a man but there are also some privileges that comes with being a woman, and they like to ignore that.
But what really annoys me is when white feminists (CHO OYU for example) say that racism isnt a feminist issue, which is pretty ****** up and stupid. Maybe its not an issue to you, but for female minorities its a feminist amd racial one. These same particular women like to point out how "women are paid less", ignoring the fact that white women are the highest paid group of women in America, right next to white men
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763170.html
Another great source
http://www.sparksummit.com/2013/01/01/race-is-a-fe...
I know I gave you more information than you wanted and also gave you information that you didnt specifically asked for, but I hope I helped and answered your question
Source(s): Woman - Anonymous7 years ago
The biggest lie, ever told, was the lie of "the patriarchy". Feminists were pretty brilliant in disguising their privilege over men with "the patriarchy". Women have always been the privileged class. Feminists are going to hate me for exposing this lie. Why? Cause feminists hate anyone that speaks against geocentric privilege.
Need proof? Which gender builds the infrastructure? When you drive down the road, how much of what you see was built by women? Which gender fights off foreign aggressors? Which gender has the shortest lifespan? Which gender pays 95% of alimony and child support? Which gender gets the majority of social and health spending? Which gender files the majority of divorces? Why are the wage, DV and rape statistics, after being proved patently false, still used in public policy? The stats are false. Need proof? Here's one study:
The Truth Behind Feminism's Two Percent False Rape Claim Figure
http://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?...
You see, most women are pathologically narcissistic. Why isn't this fact more widely known? Because society can't survive without the disposable male. Rather than exposing women's inherent pathological narcissism, to keep men enslaved, men are blamed. Women know I'm telling the truth - but they will never, ever admit it.
The Disposable Male
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov58o2xJqu0
Women suck.
- Anonymous7 years ago
Pretty much. It's like "Oh, men can write their name in the snow! Patriarchy!". Meanwhile, men are the majority of suicides, prisoners, homeless, death on the job, etc, etc, etc and feminists don't care at all. As for rights, women actually surpass men in rights. As a male, I don't have the right to NOT have my penis cut up until I say it's OK. Women (girl babies anyway) have the right to "infant genital integrity". Just the way it is. It's not that there's a specific constitutional right that women don't get circumcised but men do BUT it's so wide spread that it's essentially legal to, if you really look at it, sexually assault baby boys.
Don't think it's sexual assault? I guarantee that if some guy does to some woman what Lorena Bobbit did to her husband that it will be called, AT LEAST, 'sexual assault'.
- ?Lv 77 years ago
Men are the privileged ones ans always have been. The feminist mindset sees a reality that an anti-feminist mindset doesn't - it puts its head in the sand and says discrimination against women does not exist and then enjoys the benefits of having male privilege and blaming women for even speaking up. If you think women have achieved equality then why does this still exist?
Women are murdered by husbands in far too high numbers (3 times more women are killed by their spouses than men) and have been the target of murder mass killings just for being women.
Women suffer more objectification in media and with pornography probably more than ever - and the more popular porn is, the worse it is.
Women suffer more sexual abuse and rape, slut shaming, victim-blaming and human trafficking (more are women).
More women live in poverty and the worst most desperate poverty.
More women retire in poverty despite working hard their whole life or retire with much much less.
Women earn less.
Women do the lion's share of unpaid work in our society with little respect or recognition for it.
Mothers pay a huge price for having children - usually 7 to 9% of her lifetime income while fathers suffer little to no income reduction.
Mothers suffer discrimination from employers.
Women suffer workplace discrimination especially in non-traditional job (where I live most women who try to have a job in the construction field leave this trade in 5 years because of the prejudice they faced).
Women are still being restricted in many areas by artificial barriers or attitudes, such as religious institutions.
Women's sports is not funded or promoted as much as men's in high school, college or on the pro circuit.
Many things like cars and medicines have not properly been tested on women (especially pregnant women) and cause them harm.
Women are extremely underrepresented in politics and business and decision making generally.
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- tehabwaLv 77 years ago
No, you're entirely WRONG.
The whole POINT is to END oppression of women by men (and end wrongful treatment of men based on their sex).
Only a complete imbecile would think feminists think oppression is FOREVER -- we think it's WRONG; that's why we're trying to END it.
Also, it's a lie that feminists think ALL men are privileged.
The reason you don't understand anything at all about feminism (or about ANYTHING involving humans) is because you refuse to.
???? So you're saying women should be happy with "equality" as long as it is ONLY men who have privileged? Again, your problem is with not having any grasp at all of what it means to be HUMAN. It's impossible to have a privileged class AND to have equality.
It's a lie that females in the US have full equality and equal opportunities to men in the US. If you think that, it's because you are in love with being delusional, at the expense of half the population.
No, unequal treatment of half the population is NOT SMALL.
We need to get over not having equal rights, freedom, or opportunities? Again, no HUMAN would agree with you. (This is not to mention the situation in much of the rest of the world -- but again, lacking any humanity, you wouldn't CARE about that.)
???? I see. Your OTHER problem is that you are completely delusional, or possibly brain-dead. You think a few vids you've seen on YouTube represent ALL feminists? LOL
Moron much?
A LOT of feminists are fighting for equal rights for ALL humans -- that concept is clearly alien to YOU, b because you hate everything having to do with HUMANS.
Almost everyone working for rights to ethnic minorities, rights for people in countries with horrific oppression, rights of ALL children, LGBT rights -- are FEMINISTS. You can't be FOR human rights, but AGAINST rights for half the human race.
Was that too complicated for you?
It's a LIE that "White" feminists don't care about full human rights for all humans. When ALL you have are LIES, then you've lost the real argument. You will only convince other anti-human morons.
The POINT is NOT 'MY oppression is worse than YOURS" -- if you really had ANY grasp of humanity at all, you'd understand this.
right now, women in the US are fighting to NOT be subjugated to religious laws designed to enslave women.
Feminists are fighting for the right of women in other countries to LIVE. Feminists are fighting for lgbt rights; for equal treatment under the law for "non-Whites" -- every issue where human rights are being denies.
Whoever told you NONE of those feminists are "White" was lying to you. If ;you had even ONE functioning brain cell, you'd have known that.
"nothing more nothing less" -- That is NOT what feminists SAY. When you make up imbecilic lies, then don't blame us HUMANS for YOUR lies.
Just stop LYING.
- ElanaLv 77 years ago
It's been awhile since I've seen YAC's list, but since she's brought it out, here are some answers...
Far more men are murdered than women, so even if women are murdered because they are women, you're still worse off murderwise if you're a guy.
Men suffer far more destructive "objectification" in the media than women - women are objectified as being required to be thin and beautiful, whereas men are (at least in commercials) stupid, lazy and evil, and always need to be rescued by women. One is a positive (though destructive to try to obtain) model, the other is purely negative: simply that men are bad.
Men suffer far more violence than women generally. They are also verbally abused more than women though we entirely ignore that.
It IS true that women suffer more trafficking. Period. Absolutely inarguable.
More women live in poverty but the VAST majority of homeless are men. The majority of savings and trusts are controlled by women, which is to say that with the exception of the 1%, women are on average richer than men.
Women earn less because they do less billable work as defined in a capitalist society. Sure, sometimes they face discrimination, but men face MORE discrimination. The .77 cents on the dollar is based on the career decisions that women make, choosing parenting over career, eldercare over career, etc.
Yes, women CHOOSE to do the lion's share of unpaid word in our society. However, most of this unpaid word tends to be the types of work that women are more likely to want to do (service). In the cases where the unpaid work is construction etc, surprise, men tend to do it. In any case, it's a CHOICE.
Yes, if you make the choice of motherhood and negotiate with your partner to spend a huge amount of time taking care of children, you will definitely pay for it with a lower end salary, less social security, etc.
Mothers RIGHTFULLY suffer discrimination from employers. That is, employers are entitled to protect themselves from likely scheduling issues with their employees. Since having children is a choice, since it is not society's obligation to fund a family's choice, the idea that employers should bend over backwards for employees to have children is a non-starter unless we've decided that they are a protected class. That is, they provide less service and need more resources. You can't have it both ways.
Granted companies get good things by having women around, including pregnant women, but surely that's the company's call.
Women are still being restricted in private and religious areas - true. So are men. There are far more "perks" (scholarships, programs) available to women then men.
Millions of boys have been deprived of access to sports resources as a result of Title IX, while women have more access to resources than their proportional due due to things like Yoga and Aerobics being considered for both genders. Feminists complain about the lack of funding for women's sports resources coming from private funding or for-pay funding, but the reality is simply that people prefer to watch men's sports, at least for most sports. The only way to fix this is to give them something they want to watch.
It is true that lots of things haven't been well tested on women (usually because of the complicating factor of hormones or because of societal's preference for keeping women safe). Before we get too enraptured with this, however, I would ask what the damage here is? Remember, that most of these drugs have been in the market for decades and we have no reason to believe that gender has caused any problem.
It is true that lots of things haven't been well tested on women (usually because of the complicating factor of hormones or because of societal's preference for keeping women safe). Before we get too enraptured with this, however, I would ask what the damage here is? Remember, that most of these drugs have been in the market for decades and we have no reason to believe that gender has caused any problem.
Women are indeed under-represented in politics and business, but with the current crisis in boys education, there simply won't be enough boys and men in a few generations to handle these jobs. This is self correcting.
I would also argue, as Sheryl Sandberg has in "Lean In", that a huge part of that problem lies with women themselves: You actually have to grab the brass ring. Nobody is going to put it in your hands. Nobody is going to make sure that once it is in your hands, you keep hold of it.