Just curios. Who trains like this in martial arts today? http://youtu.be/Jdx5EWuxUs0?

We were doing some drills like the first part of the video last night. We also do lite conditioning drills but nothing that gets near to the level they were in this video. We mostly do torso and lite limb conditioning, definitely nothing to joints or the throat as in that video. That made my knee hurt just watching. I did a lot more of that type of conditioning in the Kajukenbo class I was in. I do have to agree with Possum, it seems like it is smarter and more efficient to get out of the way or to redirect the attack

When I started training I too did this kind of stuff. I remember my whole forearms being one solid bruise for a couple of months before I stopped bruising. Being able to take a hit without it phasing me was a really big help when fighting. The deeper pressure points do not work on me anymore. Some of them take too long before they register giving me time to counter and others while they are annoying they certainly would not be enough to stop me in a fight. My training conditioned a lot more than just my body.

You can't run classes like that anymore. You either wouldn't have any students if you did or a lot of lawsuits. Students have already problems with just the discipline of training let alone physical discipline on top of that. Kids can't even last an hour of training, and it's not even hard training, without a (water) break. I do not understand this. When I am focused on training, water does not enter my thought, neither does rest. There is plenty of time to drink water and rest after the training is done.

I disagree that it got watered down because of women. I know women in martial arts who are tougher than a lot of the guys. I think there is a lot more scary reasons for the watered down martial arts than just the reason to include women but I do admit for several years I was the only woman in my class when I first stared training. Not that we never had any women joining. We did, but none lasted very long. It wasn't until I got into sports martial arts that there were more women and more students over all. I really miss the old ways.

I can only pick one. I had several in mind. I gave everyone a thumbs up. Thanks for responding. Like Liondancer I recall having bruises on my arms until they didn't bruise any more. I remember the pain until I didn't feel anything anymore. I agree it is better not to be there when the strikes come. But the reality is we might get hit sometimes. I recall like Pugspaw letting people hit me as hard as they could. I was a teen and went to visit my father in Cali. My little brother told everyone I did martial arts. Peopel had a lot questions. One guy asked if he could hit me in the stomach. I reluctantly agreed. He hit me with everything he had. I tightened up as I was taught to absorb the power. He hurt his wrist and hand. Then he said he does know martial arts...lol I thought how does this prove I do martial arts. But in his eyes it did. SMH

I was about to say that it looks exactly like the way I train and teach me students..... Then I went a little further and got where the guy is having people hit him in the throat and kick him in the groin. We don't do that. when I was young and foolish I would let anyone hit or kick me as hard as they could. Now I see that as unnecessary and just downright stupid. I put it in the same category as the guys that do breaking techniques that are dangerous to themselves. I have met many guys that can take a hard strike or kick and others that can break crazy amounts of wood and concrete. but I also know that many of them can't fight worth a toot. you can be tough and able to break large amounts of hard materials, but it does not mean you can fight. Some of the best fighters I have met rarely if ever do breaking and allow others to hit them hard.

Believe it or not some still do. What you are looking at is hard core, old style type training and when I first took up studying karate many schools and instructors employed hard core and old style training approaches for good reason. Some still employ some of these approaches today but very few because they have watered down things for the sake of including children and women in their classes. I am sure you have heard for instance about the hand and bone toughening process and maybe even done push-ups on your knuckles. That is a hard core, old style training approach and we would do push-ups on our knuckles, finger tips and wrists and I never had to worry much about my hand or wrist breaking when I hit someone.

Another common one was training partners hitting and kicking each other on certain spots on the human body to deaden nerves and also causing those nerves to even move within the body off of key contact points. We would do that all the time and in sparring I never had to stop because someone kicked my leg or because I got a bump or bruise and would instead just keep fighting. I have a very high tolerance for pain because of a lot of that training and it has its value in making you mentally tougher and physically more durable and enables you to continue to do things in spite of being hurt or in pain.

Some of it is really hard core like the kicking to the groin and strikes to the throat but it has its purpose and reasons behind it. When I have been in real fights or when I fought in the ring and took a hard shot or maybe got hit or kicked in such a way that it hurt that then would not stop me from completing the task at hand which was bringing about that other person's destruction physically speaking. Unfortunately much of this type of training has fallen by the wayside and been overtaken by the fluff and puff training you have now and why many black belts of today are really watered down versions of the real thing.

I still do blocking at nearly full contact with my senior students. I rarly bruise anymore. I like to start out 4 corner blocking with my students with light contact than move it up so if they become senior adult students some day they will know what a hit feels like. You need to know what it feels like to be hit. You also need to condition so you can take it. When blockig a full force blow it will take the lesser trained student totaly off guard if they have not built up to it and train near that level. Yess Possum surly get out of the way. I don't encourage training by standing there taking abuse. That is my short answer.

Now I figured out where some of the traditional training methods of Kajukenbo come from. Kajukenbo is partially based on the Okinawan Kenpo Karate of Sensei Choki Motobu.

I am very impressed by the people in the video. Kajukenbo has similar drills but we do not hit as many targets as the people in the video. But in Kajukenbo, every student in the class has their turn to hit you. The hitting sequence is memorized. And their is a protocol. The higher ranked person hits the second ranked person and so on. Then the higher ranked people allow the lower ranked people to hit them.

Like Karate Dave mentioned, those drills are not fun. We are expected to stay standing after each person kicks you in the legs. Unfortunately, in traditional Kajukenbo, the beginner in his very first workout has to go through this. Most beginners do not come back for a second class. The more brave ones quit after a week or two when they realize that they have to go through this every workout.

I had no negative effects on my health from doing those drills, but I had my share of injuries and I witnessed other students getting injured from those drills. Maybe they are not good for your health in the long run, but I am glad I went through the traditional training.

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Pretty sweet! You might like these two vids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOp_OfSv40s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6StNqVkLwWI

It's great to see such control and precise training. That's the good stuff :)

Recently, my instructor in the AKBAN moved back to Israel so I am taking Muay Thai. Bc of this, I don't train a-lot like that, or utilize those type of technique anymore, but training is still demanding. The usual session goes like this:

Warm up/stretching routine

10-20 minutes of shadow boxing

Technique work, focusing on a different element of Muay Thai each session

3 rounds of pad work with a trainer

3-6 rounds working on the heavy bags

20 minutes of clinching, focusing on getting a strong lock on your partner and utilizing turns and throws. Knees are thrown but connect with the inside of the thigh to avoid injuring your training partner

200 alternating front kicks on the heavy bags

300 jump knees on the bag

200 alternating elbows on the bag

300 sit ups and 200 push ups

Sparring

Cool down/stretching

The school i attend still trains this way. Some days are harder strikes and techniques and others are softer. other days are almost like "walk thru's" when your starting to learn the technique. One time I ask my instructor abt a technique and of course I will never forget it now since it was a painful reminder so to speak. Nothing serious just sometimes when you forget a technique and than you ask abt it and it is applied correctly with minimal effort and you feel the "pain" you have a way of remembering. Of course this is "old school" type of training and conditioning.

Only thing is not many train like this. Not many students attend class on a regular to have full benefit of training. The ones that do you can see the difference in their techniques, strikes and such.

Of course we condition and exercise our bodies to handle the stresses that are imposed on the body from training like this.

In KukSool it is called Chul Sa Jang or Ironbody conditioning. We of course never do this to new students or whitebelts (except for certain individuals), So happens I was one of them. lol You have to be conditioned correctly to handle this.

I'll never forget that technique or how to apply it lol